Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 56 (9170 total)
5 online now:
Newest Member: Neptune7
Post Volume: Total: 917,386 Year: 4,643/9,624 Month: 418/1,096 Week: 13/110 Day: 6/3 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The Essence Of Faith & Belief.
Straggler
Member (Idle past 127 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


(1)
Message 55 of 189 (631295)
08-31-2011 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by iano
08-30-2011 9:43 AM


Re: This is not my idea.
Iano writes:
I was merely asking that you clip the both sides of the freewill equation: that which leads to peoples suffering and that which leads to peoples joy.
Why not just clip one side?
Rather than create good and evil why not narrow the scale so that the only possibilities are indifference and escalating degrees of good?
You still get freewill but you don't get evil. The worst someone can be is indifferent.
Doesn't this make far more sense than a God that is supposedly incapable of evil but who has apparently created the capacity for evil anyway??

This message is a reply to:
 Message 51 by iano, posted 08-30-2011 9:43 AM iano has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 57 by iano, posted 08-31-2011 2:40 PM Straggler has replied

  
Straggler
Member (Idle past 127 days)
Posts: 10333
From: London England
Joined: 09-30-2006


(1)
Message 62 of 189 (631461)
09-01-2011 6:20 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by iano
08-31-2011 2:40 PM


Re: This is not my idea.
Stragler writes:
Rather than create good and evil why not narrow the scale so that the only possibilities are indifference and escalating degrees of good? You still get freewill but you don't get evil. The worst someone can be is indifferent.
iano writes:
I wouldn't call a will that is denied half the available options a free one.
It is only half the available options because God has apparently chosen to calibrate the scale such that evil exists. Presumably he could have created a scale which includes far worse than evil (lets call it evil++) but he chose to limit our freedom to just evil. I am simply suggesting that he should have calibrated his scale so as to make evil unnecessary for freewill.
We can only conclude that rather than just testing whether we will choose to be good or not God actually wants us to be able to be evil. It isn't logically necessary for freewill. So why does evil exist?
iano writes:
The old argument goes that you can't make someone love you. They have to be able to choose to love you. Or not.
This isn't affected by removing evil so that the worst humans could be capable of is indifference.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 57 by iano, posted 08-31-2011 2:40 PM iano has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 63 by Larni, posted 09-01-2011 6:42 AM Straggler has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024