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Message 2 of 55 (629506)
08-18-2011 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by frako
08-18-2011 5:22 AM


What brand RAM? If you're not a geek, what the fuck do you need a 560 Ti for? If you're going AMD, get a ATI card. Depending on how much gaming you do, a 5770 would be sufficient. That way, you can crossfire later if you want. As far as hard drives go, get a smallish SSD and a 1tb Samsung Sinpoint F3 instead of that slow green one you picked out.
Find a motherboard that has SATA 6gb/s instead of SATA 3gb/s, and AM3+ to leave yourself open to upgrade to Bulldozer (the new AMD chip that will soon be released).

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Message 3 of 55 (629507)
08-18-2011 8:57 AM
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08-18-2011 5:22 AM


Oh, and what about a power supply? I recommend a Corsair TX series. Wattage is up to you, but I'd go at least 500 watts.

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Message 6 of 55 (629511)
08-18-2011 9:20 AM
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08-18-2011 9:13 AM


If you're just going single card, then getting Nvidia is fine. However, if you plan on ever going Crossfire or SLI, you have to be careful and match your motherboard and shit. For instance: I have an AMD chip, but my board only supports SLI (SLI is the Nvidia dual GPU set-up, Crossfire is ATI's). The board you picked out supports Crossfire. You can go to a site called GPU review where you can compare video card performance.
The SSD drives are expensive as shit and i dont need my windows to load in 8 seconds lol, dont have F3s in stock and i need a new comp yesterday
Then get a Western Digital Caviar Black, not the green.

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Message 11 of 55 (629586)
08-18-2011 6:54 PM
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08-18-2011 12:33 PM


consumer rights and all that if something does not work and they dont point out that that configuration wont work or will have problems
If they did do this, it would just be an example of them going above and beyond their customer service. It is up to you to match components properly. However, most good companies will cut you some slack (Newegg). You are buying components as a builder, therefor it is up to you to have the knowhow.

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Message 12 of 55 (629587)
08-18-2011 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by crashfrog
08-18-2011 11:40 AM


Agreed; if you're committed to an AMD cpu, definitely want to get an ATI video card. It's a lot less likely to have weird incompatibility problems.
This is not entirely true, and actually is a false rumor based on the fact that Nvidia markets for Intel and bases there products on Intel, with AMD being a (relatively) late comer to the CPU game. There is absolutely nothing wrong with running a single card and any board you want, AMD or Nvidia. The ONLY limitations you run into is when you go SLI/ Crossfire. However, more and more chipsets are coming out that can support both SLI and Crossfire both. It's just a matter of checking the chipset. Like I said, my AMD board has an Nvidia chipset and only supports SLI, but I have a Radeon HD 5770 with no issue.

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Message 14 of 55 (629603)
08-18-2011 9:06 PM
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08-18-2011 8:54 PM


Actualy no they are responsible because they ship me the whole box already built and tested. They would have a hard time going around that if they dint want to give me my money back and id go to court.
I do choose the components but their site recommends most there is a special advanced option though but the prices are also higher for components that are sometimes not as good then the recommended ones. So if their site recommends the component in my rig its like a employee recommending something that does not work together i get my money back.
That is a completely different story then lol. I thought you were buying the parts independently and building from scratch. Forgive my misunderstanding.

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Message 18 of 55 (629839)
08-20-2011 11:29 AM
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08-20-2011 11:26 AM


The only reason to get 8gb is because 2x4gb is relatively cheap. The only time when 4gb is not enough is if you do photo/video editing editing or something of the sort. No games (as of yet) even need more than 4.
That said, 8gb is cheap enough to make it silly NOT to get it.

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Message 22 of 55 (629850)
08-20-2011 2:33 PM
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08-20-2011 1:11 PM


I'd get a WD Raptor, one of those really fast but small hard drives (or maybe a solid-state drive)
Any SSD smokes the pants off of a Raptor and is WAAYYY cheaper when considering gb/$ ratio.
a very large 7500 rpm hard drive,
Minor correction: 7200 RPM
then you probably don't need a replacement power supply for it (yet.) See what comes already built in it. They usually sell them as a combo.
If you skimp on the PSU, don't complain when ALL your parts burn up because it fried.
Since DIII isn't out yet I would amortize the cost by using the Core i7's onboard graphics for your wife's work-type stuff. By the time DIII is out, better video cards will be out as well.
Onboard graphics is dependent on the motherboard, not CPU.
and basically you can ignore the memory timings and CAS latency.
Oh my my my....NO! CAS is far more important than bandwidth. And it's 1600, not 1666.
cheap case which you then cut some cooling holes in..
What the hell?
I could go on and on, frankly.
Please don't.
I really apologize if this came off rude, but you are not exactly giving the best advice here. Some of it is actually bad advice.
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Message 23 of 55 (629855)
08-20-2011 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Stile
08-20-2011 11:26 AM


Here:
i5 Sandy Bridge: $190
Crucial M4 60gb SSD: $115
Spinpoint F3 1tb: $60
Kingston HyperX 2x4gb: $49
Gigabyte GA-Z68p: $110
GeForce GTX 560Ti: $240
Cooler Master Storm Scout: $80
Corsair CX600: $70
This set up will rock ANY game at max. Total shipped from Newegg: $923.18. I can email you the cart if you want.
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Message 26 of 55 (629861)
08-20-2011 3:52 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by crashfrog
08-20-2011 3:37 PM


The longevity may not be there
Long enough. You will be in the market for a new drive LOOOONNNNGGGG before the NAND wears out. Your argument had weight 4 years ago when SSD's first came on scene, but not today.
SSD's aren't that much faster
WHAT? Surely you jest. WD Raptors are the ONLY mechanical hard drive that can even hold a candle to SSD's and even then, SSD's smoke 'em. We are talking a difference of 14ms access time for a Raptor to <0.1ms for SSD's, not to mention 4k random read/write speeds.
You'll wear out all your sectors, for sure.
Not in five years you won't.
The new Core i7's (at least, possibly the i5) have on-CPU integrated graphics. It doesn't work unless you have a chipset that supports it; I know the Z68 chipset does, at least. The H61's and H67's do as well, they're designed for HTPC's for the most part.
Yea, I know. But you still need a motherboard with onboard graphics. And a mobo with a crappy onboard graphics chip vs. one with a good one......you tell me.
If you haven't cut a blowhole into a case ever
Tell me: what good does having a big ass hole in your case do? Now, if you said "cut a hole and put a fan and fan cover in it", I wouldn't have said shit. You can't just randomly cut holes in your case without factoring in airflow.
Look crash: I am an overclocker and case modder. This is my hobby.
Put it this way: the current MTBF (Mean Time Between Failures) of SSD's on the market is AT LEAST 1.2 million hours. Most are more like 2 million.
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Message 27 of 55 (629862)
08-20-2011 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by crashfrog
08-20-2011 3:43 PM


I am well aware that an i7 outperforms an i5. However, not by enough to warrant the extra 100 bucks. Remember: I had to keep his build under $1k? Besides, the overclockability of Sandy Bridge i5's makes it a moot point.
Gigabyte? I think I just puked in my mouth.
To each his own. I've owned numberous gigabyte boards with no issue.
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Message 28 of 55 (629864)
08-20-2011 4:43 PM


Ok, I have no intention of getting into a pissing contest so I apologize for my brashness. This is a subject that does better when people share knowledge as opposed to "I am smarter than you" so I apologize for acting that way.

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Message 31 of 55 (629886)
08-20-2011 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by crashfrog
08-20-2011 5:45 PM


They're just not proven yet. Sorry, but they're not.
Actually, as far as the gaming/enthusiast community is concerned, they are.
And so tiny!
Yes, there are small SSD's. There are also large capacity ones, as well.....
but they're too "niche" for people who just want to rock some DIII and make PowerPoints.
For your average home user who does nothing but surf the web, yea. But Stile said he had a $1000 budget..... that tells me he wants a nice rig. SSD's=nice rig.
I just don't think they're advanced to the point where it's stupid not to have one, which is what you seem to think.
Nope. Never said that. I just think they should be a part of a high-ish end build.
No, I mean look at the numbers.
Where did you get that chart? Which "32gb Crucial"? Was it testing sequential write, 4k random? What? I'll do some benches myself and compare my Spinpoint F3's in RAID0 and my Crucial M4. I guarantee that chart is OLD.
Are you listening to me? No, you don't. Intel is putting the integrated graphics processor in the CPU die. That's what they're doing with all the space created by 32nm fabrication. You just need a chipset that supports the CPU-integrated GPU, but that's all of the higher-end chipsets, H61 and above. You don't need graphics of any kind on the motherboard, just the right chipset and a monitor port.
I learned something new today. Thanks. I don't follow Intel at all. I'm an AMD guy lol.
Your pic didn't work...

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Message 32 of 55 (629889)
08-20-2011 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by crashfrog
08-20-2011 5:45 PM


56k warning! Large images
Besides that, SSD's are being used for OS drives, so you want to look at anything BUT sequential. Random access and seek times are what count, my friend. Sequential times are for the transfer of large files.
My SSD (Crucial M4 64gb running at SATAII speeds)
Now my 1tb Spinpoint F3's in RAID0 with 128k stripe.
So we see that the ONLY area where a mechanical could possibly have an advantage is in sequential WRITE, and that is with a RAID) array. But, again, when talking about an OS drive, sequential means dick.
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Message 33 of 55 (629891)
08-20-2011 8:45 PM


I'll even go one further. Here is my backup hard drive. A 1tb Seagate Barracuda 7200.12.
So...and SSD womps the shit out of a single mechanical any day of the week. It's pretty safe to do a 1-1 comparison of my RAID array to a raptor, so for the price of a raptor, an SSD is still the way to go for a main drive.
Of course, this is all under the guise that we give a shit about boot times and how fast our browser opens up lol. Do I need a RAID array? HELL NO! But I like it and I like to futz around with this shit.
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