Information Theory and Intelligent Design.

The ID salesmen love to play games with those three terms and in their classic con, they try to misdirect the audiences attention while they palm the pea. It's an old con, been used on nearly every continent, and every civilization.Information exists in the object, but to get to the meaning you need to be able to read the language and to then get to understanding you need to also know the external context.If you can read only English and I give you a book written in Urdu, you will not be able to find the meaning. Even if you can read the language Urdu, unless you are familiar with the context, the idiom a culture, it is unlikely to understand all of the information in the story.But even if you are unable to read the work, the information is still there.The natural world is the same. Information exists everywhere in the natural world and is constantly being created and written by purely natural forces.Here are some examples: Sand DunesTree RingsIce CoresSand LayersHermit CrabSand RipplesIce MudRodent Tunnels under SnowLimestoneEach of those images is information. To know the meaning and to understand the information, you need to know the language, whether it is biology or geology or some other language, but the information is still there. And each of the examples is information created by simple natural unintelligent processes.Those who know the language, who understand the context would be able to write pages just on the information contained in each of those pictures.Information is not the same as meaning or understanding. When the ID proponents try to pretend they are, it is just a way to misdirect your attention.ID is a con.Nothing more.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I notice that you came back and deleted your reply, and I had hoped that meant you realized that the quotations you have been putting out were simply false. From your continued posts though it appears that you do not yet realize how totally refuted your sources are.You had inserted a quote, IIRC from the Discovery Institute and used that to say that none of the examples in Message 16 were information.The error so many folk, particularly Christians make, is that they simply accept crap on authority and do not test it against reality. The ID proponents count on that trait, but in this case let's test the images in Message 16 against reality and see if they do contain information.Look at this picture.Is there information in that object?Well, it is a slice out of a tree. So first piece of information is that it is a from a tree.The color is too white to be pine, too light to be hickory and so may be Ash. Second piece of information, the tree was likely Ash.I note a series of concentric circles, alternating bands of light and dark. Third piece of information, it shows regular seasonal growth rings.I note though that the thickness of the light and dark bands varies from ring to ring, some bands being larger than those adjacent. Fourth piece of information, the tree grew better some seasons than in others.Fifth piece of information is that the differences in growth indicate that the weather during the trees life varied, some years being better for growth with a longer growing season or more favorable conditions than others.The FACT is that the people you quote have been, and continue to be refuted.Information can be created by unintelligent, natural processes.Intelligent Design is simply a scam. Its proponents count on two traits in their audience, ignorance and a blind acceptance of authority.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Or is it simply that he is still misrepresenting folk and never stops misrepresentingRob makes the following claim addressed to RAZD: Come on Rob. No one has ever said that there are not instance where things are absolutely true.For example, it is absolutely true that you are absolutely wrong saying that RAZD and others do not think there are things that are absolutely true. Sorry but that is a nonsense statement that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic.In case you have forgotten the topic is "Information Theory and Intelligent Design."You have been shown examples of information that was created naturally. You have, of course, simply failed to address the very specific examples that refuted the quotes you provided from so called experts.When your points are absolutely refuted, you then fall back on your standby of trotting out bible verses out of context as though that had some merit.What you seem to miss is that by taking parts out of an information set you destroy the very information that you are claiming is present.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion