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Author Topic:   Im New here. Evolutionist or Creationist site?
tesla
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Message 11 of 37 (619120)
06-08-2011 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Taz
06-06-2011 1:06 PM


Creation/Evolution?
Over the years, I have found that one of the things creationists have trouble understanding about evolution is the accumulative effect of it. Let's do some comparisons.
Over the years I've found one great fault of posters overconfidence in known science.
God poofed everything into existence versus the universe came into existence via an expansion of space-time and regions more dense than others accumulated matter into what we now know as stars and eventually planets over billions of years.
Nothing that exists could exist: unless something first existed; to become what is now. The first of all: must be; existence.
God poofed all life into existence versus random mutation filtered by natural selection accumulated into the variation in life we see today.
Evolution and mutation could be part of a design .
God poofed your house and bank account into existence versus you worked to build up your wealth and possession.
LOL ok...
God poofed you into existence as is versus you started out as a fertilized egg and accumulated your cells to where you are today.
Back to the first point:
Nothing that does have being ‘can’ have being: without first being a part of a greater body-- until you get to that something That was first--for everything that is now; to ‘exist’ at all.
Was the first energy conscious? No one knows. And that is the argument here with creation and evolution. Evolutionist prefer to say NO and a creationists prefer to say YES
My personal position is that it is more potential to be YES :because; order denotes intelligence as a necessity for today’s evolving universe to change from an indeterminable but apparently singular start. (The first of all to exist, Which had to ‘always be’, before anything else could be; namely: Existence.)
The scientific opinions are that there was no creator because there is no scientific proof or evidence to show he cares about ‘man’; therefore he does not exist.
But from your post, and others, the Initial poster can only conclude that the majority here are evolutionists, and creationists have an uphill battle to even communicate for real answers.
However, from my post they can conclude that both arguments are simply subjective beliefs being argued, and it is a chance for the poster to come to a decision concerning their own beliefs by debating here.
Edited by tesla, : sentence edit

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 13 of 37 (619136)
06-08-2011 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by New Cat's Eye
06-08-2011 5:11 PM


Re: Creation/Evolution?
It is predominantly an evolutionist site, yes.
But I guess that depends... I realize that evolution occurs but I believe that god created the world. So am I a creationist and also an evolutionist? Or are they mutually exclusive somehow?
I don't know.
I suppose, but we do know that there are some things that are wrong... like Young Earth Creationism, or a global flood, or a non-evolutionary emergence of species.
Depends who you ask. I'd agree with you on most of that. Emergence of species I'm undecided. It's still guessing.
Uhm, energy lacks the cellular structure needed for the neurons that are required for consciousness to exist
Energy as we know it lacks the cellular structure needed for the neurons that are required for consciousness to exist
You also hafta have a brain to have intelligence...
We do not understand consciousness well enough to determine that. Trees communicate via chemical signatures to tell others of its species how to ward off sickness.
There could be other life besides carbon based.
Wait does the creator really have a penis!?
LOL Who knows? You got me on wording

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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tesla
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Message 15 of 37 (619158)
06-08-2011 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Taz
06-08-2011 9:04 PM


Re: Creation/Evolution?
Over confidence? Is this a joke? You can't tell the difference between confidence after years of study and research and over confidence after a couple creationist sermons?
Those creation sermons have been taught and heavily studied first before all things--in any depth--and is a common belief of most.
People want to know the truth, and on some level they trust science. unless science is selling another tooth fairy bullshit religion like any other religion being practiced, I want more cooperation in discovering that truth.
Call it science call it church; call it a figment of your imagination. 75% or more of the planet think it’s the most important thing to life. So either sell us honesty or admit you’re just another bullshit religion with no real answers.
Edited by tesla, : word structure.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 17 of 37 (619162)
06-08-2011 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Taz
06-08-2011 9:33 PM


Re: Creation/Evolution?
Can you give us at least a dozen things that resulted from creationist research that have benefitted humanity? Actually, a couple should do.
Some of the greatest acts and most horrible things have been done in the name of God. It has united peoples, it has split them. It has been attributed to the birth of children. And it has been attributed to the greatest catastrophes. It was in keeping record of this that language became important. It has been one of the most important factors in the progression of the human race.
When the time of death is on a man, his mind goes straight to God.
It is there when your lonely, and to the desperate who have nowhere else to go.
Now what has science done that is greater than this?
A microwave oven? cars? Gameboy? Didn’t our ancestors laugh and cry? Win and lose? Dream in life?
They did not have that stuff.
So what does science have to offer for this?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 22 of 37 (619167)
06-08-2011 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by subbie
06-08-2011 10:16 PM


Re: Creation/Evolution?
Can you answer the question actually asked?
So what does science have to offer for this?
The answer is subjective.
But objectively examine the situation. Science needs funding to improve knowledge. Religion needs funding to be taught.
Where are people going to spend their money?
You have to research What the people are buying. If you want to sell your science you need to be attempting to answer The [answers to] questions that people are paying for. And knowledge of God gets top dollar.
You cannot research the distant galaxies with any effectiveness if you do not even know what the sun or moon is.
So you can't just "look for God" until you first understand the ‘basics’ of the basic Human.
Cognitive function is recorded and sent in the brain, so what does it take to decipher how it works?
I say: here's a starting point" you say that’s not supernatural.
If you find a way to further true knowledge, be honest with what we do know and don't know . But tell the people you want to research the brain in hopes of discovering consciousness and God. With real science. Discovering real things. and not closing your mind that God may exist, and it would probably be funded.
There is no more evidence for dark matter than there is for God scientifically. But we are learning things by investigating potentials.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 24 of 37 (619169)
06-08-2011 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Theodoric
06-08-2011 11:05 PM


Re: Creation/Evolution?
If you are not going to answer the question, maybe you shouldn't quote the question in your post.
I did answer it. I told you it's subjective.
So my answer is subjective. It's my answer. what is yours?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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