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Author Topic:   Another example of right wing evil
crashfrog
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Message 46 of 247 (622599)
07-05-2011 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Taz
07-01-2011 12:57 PM


Re: A bit better
Israel has bent over backward maany times to appease the palastinian.
Really? When did this back-bending occur? Was it when they blocked the importation of chocolate and newspapers into the Gaza strip, ostensibly to "prevent rocket attacks"? (I had no idea that chocolate and newspapers were so crucial to the construction of rockets.)
Or was it when they created second-class citizen status for Palestinians, including separate sidewalks so that Israelis wouldn't be forced to sully themselves by sharing a sidewalk with one of those people?
Or was it all the Palestinian homes bulldozed to make way for Israeli settlers?
Is that the kind of bending over backwards you were talking about? Or maybe isn't it at least possible that Israel's continuing security overreactions to Palestinian violence (and their utter lack of action on the illegal settlements issue) are at least partially responsible for the violent reaction of Palestine? If alien invaders were killing your family and bulldozing your town to make way for a steady tide of alien settlers, would their patient explanation that they had, decades ago, suffered their own genocide obviate the legitimacy of your own violent resistance? Or is that just a special rule for Jews?

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crashfrog
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Message 49 of 247 (622606)
07-05-2011 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by caffeine
07-05-2011 10:52 AM


Re: A bit better
Is it possible you've drastically misremembered this story?
No, it's absolutely true as reported by Jewish-Cuban blogger Matthew Yglesias:
quote:
On the roads, however, SG is completely correct. There are no Jews-only roads in the West Bank and, indeed, when I visited the area I drove on the roads in a van that included both Jewish and non-Jewish Americans. What would be more correct (and, frankly, stranger) would be to say that these are roads accessible to everyone except Palestinians. In terms of the apartheid question, however, this is obviously a distinction without a difference. There are highways through the West Bank that Palestinians can’t use. There’s a section of Hebron where Palestinians carry goods on donkeys because they’re not allowed to use cars. It’s true that the exclusion of Palestinians from this infrastructure is done for security reasons, but the infrastructure is being built in order to colonize Palestinian territory. This is a street where Palestinians are only allowed to walk on one side (the smaller side) and non-Palestinians are only allowed to walk on the other[.]
http://thinkprogress.org/...llowed-roads-not-jews-only-roads

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crashfrog
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Message 50 of 247 (622607)
07-05-2011 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Taz
07-05-2011 10:55 AM


Re: A bit better
Let me sk you this. What do you want israel to do?
Stop settlements, end the illegal collective punishment of Palestinians (including the blockade of the Gaza strip), negotiate with their duly-elected democratic government, and return to a modified version of the 1967 border.
Stop being the aggressor in the name of "security measures" that simply exacerbate the problem they're supposed to be "securing" against. I really don't want Israel to do anything but stop committing decades-long suicide. Do you really think their current path is sustainable? How could you possibly be that stupid?
You seem to think I want to play this immature game of you not recognizing anything good about israel and me not recognizing anything bad.
When have I not "recognized anything good about Israel"? Isn't it possible to have a critique of right-wing Israeli political extremism without it being an existential threat to the Israeli state? Does affirming the legitimacy of Israel have to mean agreeing with literally everything they do?

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crashfrog
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Message 52 of 247 (622616)
07-05-2011 1:25 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by caffeine
07-05-2011 11:42 AM


Re: A bit better
So, you exagerrated a bit. Sidewalks are not divided up so people don't have to walk alongside Palestinians.
I don't see where I exaggerated at all, and I gave a photographic example reported as being a walking-only street (or "sidewalk", if you will) where Palestinians have to walk on side and everybody else gets to walk on the bigger, better side.
Some streets in occupied cites like Hebron are off limits to Palestinians as part of security measures to protect the illegal settlers from a hostile population.
I'm sorry but you don't get to simply elide collective punishment of Palestinians under the rubric of "security." You can always call it "security measures". Sundown laws in the American south were "security measures", too.
What is it about Israel/Palestine that seems to leave most people only capable of hyperbolic exagerrations?
What is it about the Israeli occupation of Palestine that seems to leave people like you unable to face reality?

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crashfrog
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From: Silver Spring, MD
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Message 214 of 247 (623566)
07-11-2011 4:07 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by AZPaul3
07-11-2011 3:23 PM


Re: Are You a Libertarian?
The point is one of states rights. Despite the war of 150 years ago there still is such a thing in this country.
Why do you say that?
The sooner we can be rid of this "states' rights" nonsense, the better. The sooner we can be rid of States, too.

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