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I had to remind her that I don't judge... 
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Here are some things that will result from this bill if it gets passed next year. (1) Teachers will be forbidden to counsel suicidal gay kids because they are forbidden to mention anything gay related. (2) All literature having any mention of homosexuality will be thrown out. (3) In history class, teachers will not be able to teach that gay people were victims of the holocaust and other genocidal acts in history. Just a few things off the top of my head. So this thread is for just making up bullshit and bashing the religious right? I'll play along... as the devil's advocate of course. If this bill doesn't pass then teachers will be forcing homosexuality on our kids. They'll be showing gay porn videos right there in the kindergarden. The left will further their agenda of turning kids gay to bring them away from thier religion so everybody will be athiests.
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The fuck you've been!?
That's playing devil's advocate? That sounds more like playing insane right-wing nut job. Only better to counter the insane left-wing nutjob with. On second thought, though, it sounds more like god's advocate than the devil's
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Now, given that homosexuality is a condition from birth, this is stripping a certain percentage of students of information that they actually need to remain healthy. That's debatable... Its only for "public elementary or middle school" and its only limits what the school can provide. So what do you think that certain percentage is? Remember, we're talking about elementary or middle school children who will be receiving information provided by public school from the state of Tennesee about homosexuality that they need to be healthy... 
While it is true that there is information aplenty on the internet, the same can be said for literally every class in high school. This bill is only for elementary and middle school, not high school.
Now, that COULD be used by Conservatives (and let's face it, if they CAN use it, they WILL use it) to insist that homosexuality not be discussed in history class. -no mention of homosexuality among the Greeks-no mention of gay civil rights Or social studies/issues class -no mention of gay marriage-no mention of gay civil rights Or potentially (depending on your definition of "instruction") guide councilors -no support for a kid who is openly gay-no support for a kid who can't come out for fear of retribution So, while you are right that these things are not specifically forbidden within the law, Elementary and middle school... How much of that stuff is actually covered there?
Taz is right that the law can have long reaching consequences. He was just looking for a reason to bash the Right. He thought he found something good, but it turns out that its way less worse than he hyperbolized it to be.
Is there _ANYTHING_ to gain from this law? At all? Will not mentioning homosexuality somehow magically convert gays back? What are these people afraid of? If people don't want their young children taught about gay sex then its not a big deal for them to prevent it.
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So, your argument appears to be that the Tennessee school system fails to provide children with information therefore we should give up on children in Tennessee. No. I doubt that young children in Tennesee need the public schools to provide them with information about homosexuality in order to remain healthy. Even granting that some might, I don't think the "certain percentage" of them that would makes the bill unreasonable.
We're talking about kids who very likely aren't getting accurate information from friends and family. We are? Why? Because its Tennessee?
What is a school for if not to provide unbiased information free from the prejudices of society? If you mean the prejudice that its okay to teach young children how to engage in gay sex then you could be supporting this bill with that statement.
Here you are arguing that it's Tennessee's right TO CHOOSE where to draw the line. That misses the point. They don't have the right TO DRAW the line in the first place. Why not? Who else should determine what is taught in Tennessee public schools if not Tennessee, itself?
What purpose does it serve to prohibit a guidance councilor from having a pamphlet on his wall addressing homosexuality? They have pamphlets on dealing with divorce. They have pamphlets on dealing with abuse. They have pamphlets on teen pregnancy. They have pamphlets on bullying. Its right there in the bill:
quote: But it should be illegal to have a pamphlet called "I think I'm gay" which provides some support and guidance to kids who have a MUCH higher suicide rate than straights? All because the parents are uneducated bigots? Nope.
Religion is a thought, yet religious groups are protected. Do they have an "I think I'm a Jew" pamphlet? 
Denying a minority group information because the majority doesn't like them is unamerican. The bill doesn't prevent them from getting information, it just limits the early public schools from providing it to them.
Now, I know that the South prides itself on being unamerican, but you guys did LOSE the civil war, remember? I'm from Illinois.
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You are saying that the percentage of children that would be helped by including this information is small, therefore we shouldn't include it. First off, I'm saying that children won't really be helped by including this information. Further, if I do assume some are for the sake of argument, then that number is too low to make the bill unreasonable.
So, the UPSIDE of including it is that some children are helped. The DOWNSIDE of including it is that some parents are bigots. No, I don't agree to that.
So, let's NOT include it, because helping children is less noble than satisfying bigots. That brings us right back to the title of the thread: Right wing evil Its looking like "Right wing evil" is that which simply does not agree with the left. And if you disagree with the left, then there is something wrong with you and you are a bad person. 
It's evil to insist that hurting children is better than confronting bigotry. Sure, but that's not happening here.
We are? Why? Because its Tennessee? Yes. Lets let "Left wing evil" be the position that entire states are incompetent and require the input from other states on the other side of the country that are very dissimiliar, and those that would rather govern themselves are bad and there's something wrong with them.
And because there are a number of families which have gay children who are afraid to come out for fear of retribution from their parents, or their town. There are a number of families who have right win children who are afraid to come out for fear of retribution from their parents, or their town.
Who is talking about "teaching children how to engage in sex" of one kind or another? From what I remember of health class, it was very nuts and bolts. We learned a lot about things that really don't make one bit of differences in the actual sex act. Do you, as a male, really need to know what an ovary looks like in order to have sex? No. So which is it? Does it not really make one bit of difference or is it required for children to remain healthy?
However, it is important for all kids to feel accepted. There's always going to be losers and fat and ugly kids. Not all kids are going to feel accepted. Too, if its so important, then why are so many in this age group doing so much to be unacceptable?:
Since when is the "home" the best place to explain or discuss anything? I dunno, but if that's how Tennesse wants it to be then so be it. Its not up to people in other states to determine that for them.
8th grade is hardly "early". I agree that their upper limit is a bit too far. I think leaving it at elementary school would be more easliy acceptable. But again, its up to them to determine that.
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What about when children should be warned about Catholic Priests and other figures in similar positions of power over your children - many of whom are homosexual?
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Calm down.
I fail to see WHY this law should be needed AT ALL. Its right there in the bill itself. I've already quoted it to you.
But you can't refute it. Sort of like "Nah nah, I can't hear you". I don't feel the need to refute unsupported assertions.
In this case, you have not offered ANY DEFENSE other than "I don't care if these children need help - F them!" I haven't see any reason to think that "these children" need help nor how what this bill prevents would help them.
We foot the bill, we call the shots. You don't like it, then GIVE THE MONEY BACK. Where is that written?
So now you want Tennessee to pass a law removing ugly kids from school? Nice. So much for this discussion....
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