Rrhain writes:
I realize it's been a month, but I've been busy.
Rahvin writes:
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I'm talking about the responsibility borne for an evil act.
That may be what you think you're talking about, but that isn't what you're saying. You're trying to argue popularity makes right and it doesn't. Just because a bunch of people do something wrong doesn't make it less wrong.
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But I do not think that he is exceptional.
Except he is. You're equivocating on the word "exceptional." You are trying to pretend that we're talking about popularity rather than substance. The evil is "exceptional" due to its depravity and idiocy, not because it is rare. Just because two million people do a dumb thing, it's still a dumb thing.
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Are the Raiders especially evil? Or is the whole society just as evil, in general?
Yes to both. You seem to think there is a dichotomy here and there isn't. If everybody in society is exceptionally evil, that doesn't make the evil any less exceptional. The popularity of an evil act does not change it in any way. It is still exceptionally evil.
You are equivocating.
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And now let's look at Wiki's info on public support for the invasion in January of '03
And this is your second logical error. You are trying to play "a pox on both your houses" when your own investigation into the subject matter shows that the two parties were nowhere near the same. The Republicans voted in lock-step. The Democrats had much greater diversity. But by your logic, the mere fact that there were a significant number of Democrats who supported the war makes them equivalent to the Republicans.
That simply isn't true.
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I find it difficult to say that the Senate Republicans were evil for voting to go to war in Iraq, because their "opposition" didn't really oppose them and would have made the same choice, if in different proportions of dissent.
(*blink!*)
You did not just say that, did you? A group of people unified in support of an exceptionally evil act is equivalent to a group of people who are only marginally in support of that act? Do you really think things would have been the same had there been any real debate on the subject? You do recall that there were no guests against the war on any of the Sunday talk shows, yes? That nobody ever got to hear any significant pushback about the "intelligence", yes? You do recall that Bush tried to talk about the uranium back in his speech in October before the State of the Union but that it got pulled out because it couldn't be verified...only to have it show up in the State of the Union despite being still unverified, yes? How many people know that on the day Bush announced hostilities in Iraq, the inspectors were destroying some missiles due to their range being beyond treaty specs and were literally begging Bush to stop and let them do their job?
Do you really think that if the Republicans were more like the Democrats, it still would have been inevitable that we would have gone to war in Iraq?
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I'd say that the Senate was evil, rather than arbitrarily choosing to only pay attention to the evil of the Republicans while ignoring the other relevant group in the decision-making process.
See, there's that "pox on both your houses" act again. And again, you seem to forget that we're not talking about the Democrats. We're talking about the Republicans. You're the one who talked about "moderate" Republicans.
Well...where are they? Why is it Republicans routinely vote en masse? We can get to the Democrats and their inabilities in another thread. This is solely about the Republicans.
Give us a name. Name a single "moderate" Republican. Olympia Snowe? Susan Collins? Have you seen their voting records? Snowe killed healthcare.
We need a name. You claim there are "moderate" Republicans.
Name one.
Just one.
How about a wikipedia article for you? But note, it calls moderate Republicans "Rockefeller Republicans".
Rockefeller Republican - Wikipedia
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This following statement is a general statement.
I'm not really too fond of political editorial cartoons. They tend to be extremely partisan biased.
Edited by Tram law, : added general statement
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