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RAZD
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Message 1 of 91 (607731)
03-06-2011 1:31 PM


Chuck "head up his" Asay is always good for a laugh:
at him (he's so consistent):
Questions for Chucky:
  1. where are the bank bailouts?
  2. where is corporate welfare?
  3. where are the tax cuts for the rich?
  4. where are the "special deals" for big corporations?
  5. does "Gov't Waste" include the highly excessive Military Budget?
  6. what specifically is wrong with the Davis-Bacon act?(a)
  7. where does the money go once it is paid to the American people?
  8. do you have a clue?
Enjoy
(a) Davis—Bacon Act of 1931 - Wikipedia
quote:
The Davis—Bacon Act of 1931 is a United States federal law which established the requirement for paying prevailing wages on public works projects. All federal government construction contracts, and most contracts for federally assisted construction over $2,000, must include provisions for paying workers on-site no less than the locally prevailing wages and benefits paid on similar projects.

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Message 2 of 91 (607791)
03-07-2011 2:04 AM
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03-06-2011 1:31 PM


I already know a number of social conservatives who have taken a 180 degree turn on the health care reform. Before they lost their jobs, they were convinced that the health care reform was bad. When I asked them what they know about it, they couldn't say anything. Well, now that they have lost their jobs and they or their families have run into some health issues, the health care reform is the only thing keeping them afloat. And almost overnight, they changed from calling the health care reform a communist/muslim take over of America to calling it a godsend.
Specifically, this one guy I know spent all his savings buying as many guns and ammo as he could when Obama won the election. Why? Because he was convinced Obama was going to ban guns on a federal level. Now that he's jobless, crippled by a degenerative spinal disease, and is struggling with his wife to raise their 2 daughters, obamacare is the only thing keeping him from being rejected outright by insurance company. He's sold all his guns save 1. And guess what, his family is surviving on federal aid programs, the same programs he was condemning just a couple years ago. I've been watching in amazement the last few years how this guy has changed into a completely different person. He was a tea party member no less. Now he's just someone who needs help. Sad...
Like the saying goes, everyone is a conservative until they can't afford to stay afloat anymore. It sickens me that conservatives are so selfish and uncaring toward their fellow citizens, the exact opposite of what their damn jesus supposedly taught them.
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Or take my ultra-conservative brother, for example. He's an engineer. He recently voted democrat because the republican he supported promised to lower corporate taxes by halting all state run construction projects. He even got a notice from his company that they might face massive lay-offs if construction projects are halted.
Again, this demonstrates perfectly the selfish nature of the conservative movement. Threaten their job or their health care and they will turn liberal overnight. Hell, if they really are trying to preserve the sanctity of marriage, they'd be pushing for a law to ban divorces instead of banning gay marriage... and 50-60% of them wouldn't end up in divorce... and their idol Rush Limbaugh wouldn't be going through his 4th divorce.
Edit again.
I leave you with the following link.
http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/...cation/income&wealth.htm
Edit again.
Reminds me of that southpark episode about future immigrants coming back to the present to find jobs. One moment a liberal bleeding heart commie was all accepting of the people from the future. The next he's all redneck because they took his job.
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Message 3 of 91 (607793)
03-07-2011 2:39 AM
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03-07-2011 2:04 AM


Taz writes:
Again, this demonstrates perfectly the selfish nature of the conservative movement.
The hypocrisy of portraying Medicare and Social Security as piglets is breath-taking, especially since deregulated corporate and investor greed destroyed the tax receipts that previously kept them solvent.
Conservatism is predicated on the notion that it is just to let your neighbor drown if his rescue requires you to buy your share of the community rope.
The greatest irony of this cartoon is the emaciated sow. Government is struggling to meet its obligations for two reasons: wealthy investors gambled and gamed the global economy into ruin, and taxes on the wealthy are at historic lows.
Contracts (for Wall St. bonuses) are sacrosanct; contracts for teacher pensions are disposable.
Talented people won't seek CEO jobs unless the pay is stratospheric, but good teachers will flock to poor pay and no pensions.
Gay marriage will destroy the very institution; conservative governance in red states has resulted nationally in the highest levels of out-of-wedlock babies and divorce.
I have always marveled at the self-contradictions of working class and middle class conservatism. Time after time, the wealthy have persuaded them to strangle themselves for their own good.
Same as it ever was...
Wake me up when there are people in the street with torches.
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Message 4 of 91 (607801)
03-07-2011 8:19 AM
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I have always marveled at the self-contradictions of working class and middle class conservatism. Time after time, the wealthy have persuaded them to strangle themselves for their own good.
A public employee, a tea partier, and a CEO are sitting at a table. In the middle of the table sits a plate of a dozen cookies. The CEO reaches across, takes 11 cookies, looks at the tea partier, and says, Look out for that public employee, he wants a piece of your cookie.
(can you tell I'm a Wisconsin public employee?)

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Message 5 of 91 (607808)
03-07-2011 10:17 AM
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03-07-2011 8:19 AM


Just curious , I know you are annoyed at all hell by Walker. Do you think that general public is annoyed by the tactics of the republicans to support them in two years, or do you think that they are annoyed at the democrates for running away?
What is the current political attitude by the average voter in Wisconsin?

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Message 6 of 91 (607814)
03-07-2011 10:37 AM
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03-07-2011 10:17 AM


Wisconsin polls say two-thirds want Walker to compromise on the issue of bargaining rights. Their attitude toward the absent Democratic senators is about an even split.
16 state senators are facing recall petitions, 8 Democrats and 8 Republicans.
We'll see how this plays out in Wisconsin elections sooner than 2012.


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Real things always push back.
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Message 7 of 91 (607815)
03-07-2011 10:38 AM
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03-07-2011 8:19 AM


Based on the joke, I would have taken you to be a clear-eyed citizen anywhere.


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RAZD
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Message 8 of 91 (607821)
03-07-2011 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Taz
03-07-2011 2:04 AM


Hi Taz, yes amazing the turnabout when it's personal.
I leave you with the following link.
http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/...cation/income&wealth.htm
quote:
The bottom 60% of households possess only 4% of the nation's wealth while it earns 26.8% of all income.
Like the saying goes, everyone is a conservative until they can't afford to stay afloat anymore.
And obviously nobody in the bottom 60% of households should vote for politicians that promise to take more away from them, not just health care but social security and all the other benefits, while still giving tax breaks to those who need it the least.
Enjoy.

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Message 9 of 91 (607837)
03-07-2011 12:11 PM


The fact of the matter is that we have to pay for health care somehow, even if it isn't through tax dollars. If the cartoon were accurate then the cow would be blue-collar working Americans and the pigs would be private health care and insurance companies. A single payer system is the only real way we have of reigning in health care costs as shown by other countries that have such systems.

  
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Message 10 of 91 (607928)
03-07-2011 11:23 PM
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RAZD writes:
Hi Taz, yes amazing the turnabout when it's personal.
The point I was trying to make is it reveals how selfish and unchrist-like the conservatives are. I'm neither hispanic nor gay. And I don't need to be in order to realize it's not a good thing to oppress these two groups. If what it takes is for it to hit home in order for these christian oppressors to realize it's not a good thing to oppress people, are they really christ-like they claim to be?
Why am I bringing religion into this? Because I'm sick and tired of the bullshit that comes with religion. They want to ban gay marriage and adoption even though they claim to promote family value. They go to Africa (ravaged by AIDS) and preach against condom use even though they claim to value human life. The catholic church never excommunicated a single member of the 3rd reich, and yet they are excommunicating women who want to become priests. And ask any religious person and chances are he wants more tax cuts for the rich even if it means taking away social security and financial aid for students.
It sickens me that religionists are fighting so hard against human rights rather than promote them.
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Message 11 of 91 (607929)
03-07-2011 11:26 PM
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03-07-2011 11:23 PM


What makes you think all conservatives are Christian?
There is a significant minority of us who are pro-science and fiscal conservatives, not the soc-cons who get all the press.

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Taz
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Message 12 of 91 (607930)
03-07-2011 11:33 PM
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Do you agree or not agree that Americans wear jeans? I don't wear jeans, and I know plenty of people who don't wear jeans. Just because you can find a hand full of people who don't wear jeans doesn't mean you can ignore the vast and overwhelming majority that do wear jeans.
And no, I don't believe for one minute that the so-cons are a minority among conservatives. Every single time an issue like gay marriage gets put up for vote, it always got struck down by popular vote. So, either the conservatives who are not so-cons don't vote or you guys aren't significant enough for us to care. Either way, you don't matter.
It's like pointing out people like Schindler and claim that the nazis were angels because you were able to find a hand full of nazis who helped Jews. Please spare me the BS.

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Message 14 of 91 (607932)
03-07-2011 11:40 PM
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03-07-2011 11:33 PM


And no, I don't believe for one minute that the so-cons are a minority among conservatives.
The pro-science and fiscal conservatives are the minority, as I stated.
But after many years we are becoming more vocal and getting far less willing to take crap from either the lefties or the soc-cons.
Better get used to it.

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Message 15 of 91 (607933)
03-07-2011 11:41 PM
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03-07-2011 11:35 PM


When was the last time you heard of a conservative group other than GOProud advocating for gay rights? I don't mean just by word of mouth, I mean actually campaigning for the rights of an entire group of US citizens. I sure can't think of any, and I keep watch for these things. Even GOProud is having trouble getting accepted by their peers.
We're not painting anyone anything. You guys do it to yourselves. The fact that people like Rush Limbaugh has managed to capture much of the conservative movement says a lot about how insignificant you are to your peers.

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