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Parasomnium
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Message 9 of 88 (596285)
12-14-2010 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by bluegenes
12-14-2010 7:46 AM


The large English vocabulary
I've heard that English has a vocabulary that's roughly twice as large as those of other European languages, and that this is due to the fact that English has adopted very many words from other languages (notably Latin) and anglicized them. So for a great many concepts there exist at least two words in English: a word with an Anglo-Saxon root, and one with a Latin root. The anglicized Latin words are often the posher ones.

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Message 10 of 88 (596287)
12-14-2010 9:05 AM


"Ghoti"
Does anyone know how to pronounce "ghoti" in English?

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Message 18 of 88 (596317)
12-14-2010 10:42 AM
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12-14-2010 9:48 AM


Re: "Ghoti"
nwr (and everyone else who responded to the ghoti question),
I know "ghoti" is just a funny example of the quirky pronunciation rules of the English language.
On a side note, now that we're on the subject of pronouncing the "gh" combination, I'd like to use this stage to tell every English-speaker how to pronounce the name Van Gogh. It's not, as a lot of you seem to think, "van goff", with "van" pronounced like the word used to denote a small bus-like vehicle, and "goff" ending in an f-sound. The name literally means "from [the German town of] Gogh".
The Dutch word "van" in this context translates as "from". "Van" is pronounced with an a-sound roughly like that in the British pronunciation of "dance", but a little shorter.
"Gogh" is pronounced, in Dutch at least, as if you have almost ingested an insect which is now clinging tightly to your epiglottis and which you are desperately trying to expel from your vocal apparatus. Both g's have a distinctly guttural quality to them, and the h plays no role worth mentioning.
If this didn't make things clear, it has at least in all probability cleared some throats.

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Message 39 of 88 (596367)
12-14-2010 3:24 PM
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12-14-2010 10:50 AM


Re: "Ghoti"
Panda writes:
Northern English 'dance' or southern English 'dance'?
(I think it is northern style.)
Take the shortness of the north, combine it with the a-sound of the south, and by Jove, you've got it.

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Message 40 of 88 (596371)
12-14-2010 3:33 PM
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12-14-2010 11:47 AM


Re: "Ghoti"
"Crashfroh" writes:
I'm not going to say it like I'm Dutch, so I'm just gonna stick with "Van Goh."
That's fine by me.

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Message 41 of 88 (596372)
12-14-2010 3:37 PM
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12-14-2010 11:45 AM


Re: "Ghoti"
dwise1 writes:
The professor was covering a few of the theories of the origin of human language and mentioned the idea that it came from animal sounds.
What an odd suggestion. Next they'll be telling us we evolved from animals. Tsk!
Edited by Parasomnium, : setting quote attribution right

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