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Percy
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Message 9 of 25 (574127)
08-14-2010 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
08-13-2010 7:00 PM


In an earlier voyage Fitzroy had brought back to London several natives from Tierra del Fuego where they were exhibited for the king and queen, and on the famous voyage of the Beagle with Darwin he returned three of the natives to their homeland. Darwin had ample opportunity to observe them, and this excerpt is from Janet Browne's biography:
Janet Browne writes:
The most striking physical difference was that Jemmy and York had remarkably good eyesight, a point that interested Darwin personally as well as biologically, because he was accustomed to think of his own eyesight as exceptionally strong: those "telescopes you call eyes," Erasmus used to say. Only five or six of the crew could see as far or further than Darwin. But the male Fuegians' sight was much superior, a fact they turned to their advantage. "They were quite conscious of this power; and Jemmy, when he had any little quarrel with the officer on the watch, would say, 'Me see ship, me no tell.'"
It makes sense that human populations living in environments where good eyesight was a true advantage would exhibit good eyesight more often than European populations of the period. I wonder if this has ever been properly studied.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 15 of 25 (574195)
08-14-2010 3:19 PM
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08-14-2010 12:04 PM


Re: Not sure I agree
Making sure I understand...
nwr writes:
I didn't need any glasses until around age 16. And even then, they were not very strong and only important for reading the blackboard from the back of the classroom.
So you were slightly nearsighted by age 16?
I now have pretty thick glasses. But I always wonder how much of that is because I spent a lot of time reading, and perhaps growth within the eye was adapting my eyes for close up work such as would not be needed for primitive cultures.
And you became more nearsighted as you grew older?
If I understood you properly, then your experience is very atypical. Most people become more farsighted with age. As we age nearly unavoidable physiological changes occur in the eye that cause longer and longer focal lengths.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 23 of 25 (574225)
08-14-2010 9:29 PM
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08-14-2010 5:54 PM


Re: Not sure I agree
nwr writes:
In the population at large, far sightedness is more common than near sightedness. In academia, nearsightedness appears to be more common.
The physiological changes in the eye that most often occur with age are independent of where one begins on the near/far sighted scale. The eye tends to elongate front to back, and the lens tends to grow away from the ring of muscle that surrounds it. There's no guarantee this will happen, but it's what happens to most people as they age.
For most people, sometime between age 40 and age 60 their eyes take on a fixed focal length. For people nearsighted in youth they often discover their eyesight improves with age. Those lucky enough to have their focal length freeze up at some useful distance such as 8 or 10 feet might find that they see well enough at both near and far distances to not need glasses most of the time.
--Percy

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