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Author Topic:   Evolution is most likely a part of intelligent design
dwise1
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Message 4 of 59 (355862)
10-11-2006 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by nwr
10-11-2006 9:23 AM


Re: Not new
God as Sovereign over Nature should be able to use physical, naturalistic processes. God as the God of the Gaps (GOG) cannot (since, by definition, GOG only works within the gaps in our knowledge). So of course God, Sovereign over Nature, can use evolution as part of Creation. It's GOG who cannot.
All I've seen of ID arguments is that they rely on GOG. Years ago, I even came across an essay by Phillip Johnson in which he explicitly stated that his main problem with evolution is that it leaves God with nothing to do; that, to me, just screams out "GOG". And many "creation science" arguments also speak much more loudly of GOG than it does of God, Sovereign over Nature.
So then, yes, ID and "creation science" do demonstrate that they are opposed to the idea of God as Sovereign over Nature.
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Message 19 of 59 (355932)
10-11-2006 3:09 PM
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10-11-2006 1:24 PM


Re: God vs. Aliens
There was an interesting outcome to genetic algorithm experiments in which evolutionary processes were used to evolve an amplifier design out of a field-programmable gate array (FPGA). The resulting amplifier was irreducibly complex.
Complexity is one of the characteristics of the products of evolution.

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Message 26 of 59 (356059)
10-12-2006 1:42 AM
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10-11-2006 9:22 PM


Re: God vs. Aliens
I'll have to look it up again. Unfortunately, it's in an engineering trade journal, EE Times, several years ago. Colin Johnson is a regular contributor and several of his articles deal with robotics, AI, and genetic algorithms.
In the amplifier circuit in question, although the hardware basis for it was digital circuitry, it evolved to make use of the analog characteristics of that circuitry. Any changes a human tried to make to it would cause it to no longer work.

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