Would you agree however that what we call "consciousness" would not and could not be acheived without a sensory system? My point is only that its not so much "something with a brain" that can experience consciousness. It has more to do with having a sensory system, and, a central nervous system.
Would you agree?
That's an interesting question. My intuition doesn't agree, but I am really not qualified to give authoratative answers at all.
If we knew how general anaesthetics work, that might help. Do they make you lose consciousness because of the sensory shutdown?
Aren't there medical conditions that leave people as 'floating consciousnesses', with nothing coming in from the outside world?
I guess that would require a sense of passing time - which might be argued to be a sense.
My only issue with Dennett is that, well, he simply does away with the problem of subjectivity, making the hard problem of consciousness go away. He claims that the idea of qualia and related phenomenal notions of the mind are not coherent concepts.
He doesn't do away with subjectivity. His entire point about qualia is that they are just a series of 'seems to me' discriminations about the environment.
If it was only parts coming together in unison, then it gives rise to the possibility of the philosophical zombie. Even though Dennett disagrees with the zombie scenario.
Dennett says that technically he thinks we are all zombies
If memory serves when he talks in details about them he suggests that zombies are no different than us in his theory and that the problem with the concept is that it assumes there is a difference to conclude there must be a difference!
Many of his critics, like David Chalmers, argue that "Dennett's argument misses the point of the inquiry by merely re-defining consciousness as an external property and ignoring the subjective aspect completely."
Everyone's critics argue that their opponents are in error
Chalmer's critics, like Dennett, argue that Chalmers ends up with the Cartesian theatre (I'm not sure if that is Dennett's argument, though I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it terminates).
So I wonder if you also take the position that subjective experiences and qualia are not coherent concepts because it presupposes objectivity?
I don't reject that subjective experience exists, though I do agree that qualia is ultimately incoherent as a concept. I have not seen Dennett suggest that 'subjective experience' is not a coherent concept. Dennett just says that what a person reports as being their experience may not necessarily reflect the actual experience they are reporting.
So Dennett (rightly, I think) suggests that subjective reports are not the only evidence we should be using to study consciousness, but if we treat subjective reports to the methodology of
heterophenomonology and not just relying on our own subjective judgements (Descartes self-examination method) on what consciousness is.
are you a Pantera fan?
That was my second thought.
Actually
that was my second thought - I only know what a dimebag is because of Pantera. The term, for obvious reasons, is not common in the UK