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CK
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Message 12 of 43 (178079)
01-18-2005 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by LDSdude
01-18-2005 9:05 AM


Re: Preconceptions
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What Atheists don't understand is that nothing in the bible contradicts science.
That's not true at all - large elements of the bible contradict science. I would suggest that you do some research before making such sweeping statements. Do you think you are the first person to come here and make that claim?
A question springs to mind: You realise that atheist and scientist are not interchangable? Many scientists who are christians don't think that the bible is literally true.

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CK
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Message 19 of 43 (178265)
01-18-2005 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by LDSdude
01-18-2005 4:47 PM


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Evolution is a theory. NOT A FACT!
With such a silly comment you show that you don't understand enough about science to even BEGIN a debate. Let me give you a little help:
A scientific theory is a unifying and self-consistent explanation of fundamental natural processes or phenomena that is totally constructed of corroborated hypotheses. A theory, therefore, is built of reliable knowledge--built of scientific facts
Carleton University
Most non-scientists are unaware that what scientists call "theories" are what most people call "facts". The general public uses the word theory to refer to ideas that have no firm proof or support; in contrast, scientists usually use this word to refer only to ideas that have repeatedly withstood test.
Science - Wikipedia
Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data.
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From the same site - this seems to sum up your understanding of the matter pretty well:
In the American vernacular, "theory" often means "imperfect fact"part of a hierarchy of confidence running downhill from fact to theory to hypothesis to guess.
Maybe someone who doesn't even believe in evolution would be of benefit at this stage:
There is a widespread misconception that good theories grow up to be facts and that the really good ones finally become laws. But these three categories of scientific description are neither directly related nor mutually exclusive. It often occurs that a single natural phenomenon can be described in terms of a theory, a fact, and a law -- all at the same time!
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This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 01-18-2005 16:59 AM
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CK
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Message 20 of 43 (178267)
01-18-2005 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by LDSdude
01-18-2005 4:47 PM


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Go ahead, give me something. Tell me something that takes place in the bible that physics and other natural forces of nature could not do. Seriously, I'll take you on on this
We need to start a new thread about this or finding an existing one - during the flood a)How do Noah breath and b) Why wasn't he burnt to death?
Are you game? Do you want to take this on with me? remember if you are talking science, so you can't use "god dun it"
(Note: I would ask that people DO NOT supply an answer to this - it's is an invitation for LDSdude)

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CK
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Message 26 of 43 (179114)
01-20-2005 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by LDSdude
01-20-2005 8:59 PM


Re: sure!
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Yes. It is possible to make the presence of God a testible fact. You must read the Bible thouroughly for yourself and pray to God to know if it's true. If you pray because you REALLY want to know, NOT just because you want to prove it wrong, and if you truly try to be sincere in your prayer, you'll recieve an answer in your heart. You'll feel it within your body. The Holy Ghost will let you know.
Can I ask what you knowledge of science is? it seem to be very limited; you don't seem to understand what the term testible means.
quote:
About the How did Noah Breath? Just because the earth is covered with water, doesn't mean there still isn't an atmosphere? I don't think I understand your question. And the why wasn't Noah burnt to death question? Are you reading the King James version of the bible? Please clarify.
yes - the king james version - I am talking about ramifications of a flood. I want to know why he was not burnt to death by all the energy released in the flood (we can discuss the pressure problem later).
If you think you can tackle it - there are a number of thread we can use.
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CK
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Message 35 of 43 (179149)
01-20-2005 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by LDSdude
01-20-2005 9:44 PM


Re: No problem then
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Wait a second. Is one person using many screen names? Because all of the last posts were posted within minutes of eacother. Is somebody out there trying to make themselves look more reliable by looking like differnt sources? Because that would just be immature.
And the evidence for this claim is? Who are you accusing of being the same person?
Reading the rest of this post - why is LDSDude not in the Bootcamp where he can get the help he needs?
quote:
And Burning in the floods energy. Hmmmmm. You know what, you MUST be right! I mean I was walking in a HORRIBLE rain storm the other day, and I swear that despite the cold temperatures, I broke a warm sweat! I bet Noah would have exploded from all that water. Not to mention, there was Acid RAIN! The Mammoths invented it before we did, because since the THEORY of evolution MUST be true, Man is always second best! Yippee! (By the way, for all you extremely unhumorous fellow scientists out there, the previous paragraph was written with sarcastic intensions. We must evolved that too!)
What you are actually saying is "I don't understand the question posed to me, so I will cover my lack of knowledge with idiotic behaviour".

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