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Author Topic:   Intelligent Design or unthinking blasphemy?
crashfrog
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Message 94 of 162 (341188)
08-18-2006 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Hyroglyphx
08-18-2006 7:47 PM


Re: Omniscience and knowability
Things don't just magically happen
But that's exactly the model you support. God magically doing things.

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crashfrog
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Message 97 of 162 (341202)
08-18-2006 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Hyroglyphx
08-18-2006 8:06 PM


Re: Omniscience and knowability
Magic has nothing to do with it. Miraculous, yes, magic, no.
I'm sorry, but I can't possibly be bothered to discern the details of your own private system of woowoo.
Miracles are magic. It says so in the Player's Handbook! It's right there in the spellbook under "M": Miracle, a 9th-level Clr spell. You can't cast it in an anti-magic field, so obviously, Miracle is magic.

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crashfrog
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Message 99 of 162 (341238)
08-18-2006 11:29 PM
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08-18-2006 10:10 PM


Re: Miracle and Magic
2. any mysterious, seemingly inexplicable, or extraordinary power or influence; as the magic of love.
is the same as:
1. an event or action that apparently contradicts known scientific laws and is hence thought to be due to suupernatural causes, especially to an act of God.
Look, the Player's Handbook is the definitive source for such things. I mean at least it sets up definitions for its terms, and explains what "supernatural" can actually be taken to mean. (Actually that's in the Monster Manual, but those are both considered part of the Core System.)

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crashfrog
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Message 105 of 162 (341469)
08-19-2006 6:31 PM
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08-19-2006 4:48 PM


Re: Miracle and Magic
Magic is seldom used in common everyday speach in reference to the supernatural aspects of God.
To the contrary, the use of the term "magic" to describe the actions of your supposed "god" is very, very common among people I speak with.

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crashfrog
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Message 120 of 162 (348190)
09-11-2006 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by xXGEARXx
09-11-2006 4:31 AM


Re: Laymans terms?
Well, has anyone ever thought it might have been a bit mind boggling for the people that lived AT THAT TIME to sit down and go over how the strong and weak nuclear force works? The temperature and pressure of stars? The gasious mixture of the earths atmosphere? Water is 2 parts hydrogen, one part oxygen? Etc., Etc... These are the really easy ones off the top of my head. How could the people during this time understood this?
Because people weren't idiots back then, they were just ignorant.
Look, somehow you learned all that stuff, right? I mean you weren't born knowing it. The knowledge you have now was built on a foundation of education that took a long time, but it didn't take a thousand years or anything. It just took some school.
Two thousand years from now a scientist is explaining to me all the theories of HIS modern time. Even if I am well versed in science, how the heck can I really follow what he is saying?
If he starts from principles that you do understand, why would it be so hard? It might be time-consuming, but remember that up in his time, they teach children who know even less about science than you do.
It just takes time.
Secondly, why is it so hard believe life is intelligently designed?
Because things that are alive are nothing like anything that has ever been designed, except where our designs have aped that which has already lived.
Take out a medical book and read it sometime about the human body and all the chemical processes it undergoes daily. It is amazing. That isn't designed?
Nope! I mean, c'mon. The human retina was put in backwards. The light-senstitive side faces inwards, towards the inside of the skull. The only reason we can see at all is because the two layers on top of the light-sensitive layer are thin enough for enough daylight to pass through. But you still have blind spots from those layers.
Does that seem designed to you? If the designer was an idiot, maybe.

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