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ICANT
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Message 13 of 86 (534044)
11-04-2009 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by hooah212002
11-04-2009 1:12 AM


Hi hooah,
hooah writes:
My question is this: how can I talk to her and show her, not that she is wrong, but, to be more accepting of different viewpoints.
You probably can't.
Sorry to see you have this problem but it is one I have to deal with on a regular basis.
I will assume she was raised Catholic.
The Catholic motto is you give us a child until he/she is 6 years old and they will die a Catholic. From my experience 80% will.
If she does not practice her religion, what is the problem?
She just believes that if the child dies without being baptized he will go to Hell. Which she can't stand the thought of. The same goes for you.
I will assume you and your girlfriend are in your late 20's or 30's. That means you both are well set in your ways and beliefs and there will probably be no compromise in beliefs. She has apparently already drawn the lines in the sand and when you cross those lines there will be trouble.
So basically your problem is, how much do you love this woman and your children?
You must decide your own course in life. Sometimes it is very hard.
I have a couple in the church I pastor that had just such a problem. She is the church treasurer and he does not believe in God. They have raised a son who is now 22 years old. He was allowed to make his own choices concerning religion.
The lady is one of the most faithful members of the church but she never comes on Sunday night unless we are having something special. Sunday evening is spent with her husband. She does not fuss about that and he does not fuss about her coming on Sunday morning and Wednesday evening. Sometimes when we have dinner at the church he will come and eat with us, even though it make him a little uncomfortable.
They have decided since they love each other so much that this is the best and only way to share that love. She has accepted the fact that he will never believe in God so she will share her love with him as long as possible here on earth.
Everything we do is based on a decision we make. You just have to decide what you want and then work toward that end.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 26 of 86 (534140)
11-05-2009 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by hooah212002
11-04-2009 7:15 PM


Re: Compromise
Hi hooah,
hooah writes:
My problem is the way it comes across as though I am some evil son of a bitch.
She probably thinks more in the terms of a devil.
hooah writes:
Again, it's either I compromise with her, or else? Why are the religious that way? Is god that much of a prick? I am fairly certain Jesus would understand......
1. "Why are the religious that way?"
She believes in God, heaven, and the lake of fire.
Those who believe in God and meet His requirements will spend eternity in heaven.
Those who do not believe in God and meet His requirements will spend eternity in the lake of fire.
These things are just as real to her as they are unreal to you.
As far as I can tell from what you have written that is all she believes in.
She is not a good Catholic or she would not be living with you without being married to you. More than likely if the Church knew she would be excommunicated from the Church.
2. "Is god that much of a prick?"
God made you a free moral agent and gave you the ability to choose to believe anything you want to believe. Problem is He gave her the same choice.
3. "I am fairly certain Jesus would understand".
God and Jesus are one and the same just different manifestations of the one entity, and yes He understands.
Now to the real problem.
"Again, it's either I compromise with her, or else?"
What is the alternative?
I do not know how things are where you live but where I live your
alternatives would be very limited.
If you decided you could not compromise and cross the line she has already drawn you will end up in court. She would get full custody of the kids, and you would be required to pay child support. Since you are not married the court system here would limit your contact with the kids probably to every other weekend. This would limit your access to the kids to about 52 days a year.
Before you make too drastic of a decision I would suggest you talk to a lawyer in your area and maybe even a family councilor.
You do have some very hard decisions to make.
Keep in mind decisions you have already made in the past has brought you to this point. If you knew she believed in God before you began living with her it is no one's fault but your own.
So many people make the mistake of believing they can change the partner's belief to match theirs. The problem is 99% of the time that is impossible.
hooah writes:
Again, that is a compromise I, repeat, I, am willing to make. She can take the kids to church all she wants. Just don't chastize me for teaching them science-y stuff.
I really don't think you will have a problem teaching the kids things of science.
You will have a big problem when you try to teach them there is no God.
As far as she is concerned the Bible gives the how and why the universe exists.
Your science has no answer for either of those.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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