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Author Topic:   Help in teaching 11-12 Year olds (RE (Religious Education) in the UK)
Coyote
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Message 36 of 126 (538558)
12-07-2009 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Peg
12-07-2009 6:40 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
the issue of creation IS a religious topic.
Yes. And for that reason alone it has no business in public schools.
And for kids to be informed of the difference between the ToE and creation, then the only place they'll hear the difference is in their religious class because science refuses to present creation as an alternative. IOW in science, there is no choice.
No! In science the "choices" are based on scientific evidence. Various non-scientific beliefs, for which there is no empirical evidence, have no place at all in science.
why dont scientists present a Theory of Creation???
See above.
Is it because they refuse to believe that a God could exist???
It is because there is no empirical evidence for gods and demons, yours or anyone else's.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 37 of 126 (538560)
12-07-2009 10:17 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Peg
12-07-2009 7:26 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
so tell me, does the evidence support the evolution of life from inanimate chemicals? Has that be tested in a lab and has it been proved that inanimate chemicals can make the leap from non living to living matter?
One more time: the theory of evolution does not deal with origins.
The theory of evolution would work equally well whether the first life was created by some deity, dropped in from outer space, or came about chemically.
Why are you unable to separate origins from evolution?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 41 of 126 (538570)
12-07-2009 11:12 PM
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12-07-2009 10:44 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
And to prove that we were not created in our current form, you need to be able to show that life can evolve from chemical reactions into living matter.
No!
What we need to show is that life forms can evolve. Origins makes no difference at all! That is an entirely different question.
Didn't you see the section in my previous post that I put in yellow, bold, and larger type? Go back and reread that post.
I believe what is happening is that you don't like those answers (e.g., origins and evolution are distinct) so you are ignoring them. If this is the case it would be helpful for all of us for you to admit that and then we could move on. Otherwise we're repeating the same explanation time after time, thread after thread, and that's not good for a productive discussion. It just leads to frustration.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 43 of 126 (538577)
12-08-2009 1:51 AM
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12-07-2009 11:50 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 111 of 126 (539220)
12-14-2009 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Peg
12-14-2009 4:39 AM


Re: Evolution and Origins
no because they are all types of cats...what i'm saying is there is no reason why the two cats taken on board the ark, could not have speciated to become all the many kinds of cat we see today.
You deny speciation then pack what scientists say required millions of years of evolution into just a few centuries. And have it suddenly stop??
Give it up. You have backed yourself into a corner from which you need to construct increasingly fantastic tales to support a disproven myth.
And you want this taught in schools??

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Message 123 of 126 (539244)
12-14-2009 11:25 AM
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12-14-2009 7:07 AM


Re: Evolution and Origins
Edited by AdminModulous, : Sections not related to education hidden.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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