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Author Topic:   Help in teaching 11-12 Year olds (RE (Religious Education) in the UK)
Peg
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Message 28 of 126 (538537)
12-07-2009 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by JJtheJester
10-19-2009 3:32 PM


Hi JJtheJester
JJtheJester writes:
how life forms came into being and are the variety we see now.
The apostles Paul said:
Acts 17:26 He made out of one man every nation of men, to dwell upon the entire surface of the earth.
In the human species, its genetics that created the great variety of traits seen in various nations. IMO, the animals, which were made according to their kinds, have the same genetic ability as we do.
We can easily see this in dogs, cats, horses etc. One species can produce a wide variety of different traits, colors, sizes...even shapes.
I dont think scientists know exactly where all the boundaries are which separates one species from another. There are probably some animals that are considered different species, but are actually not.
Also, kids need to know that evolution is a 'theory' not a 'fact'. Its always protrayed as a fact of science but its not a fact no matter how much people like Dawkins proclaim it to be.

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Peg
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Message 29 of 126 (538539)
12-07-2009 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Parasomnium
10-20-2009 9:45 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
Parasomnium writes:
I am sorry if I gave that impression, it was not my intention. I was only expressing my personal opinion that religious education should restrict itself to religious topics.
the issue of creation IS a religious topic.
And for kids to be informed of the difference between the ToE and creation, then the only place they'll hear the difference is in their religious class because science refuses to present creation as an alternative. IOW in science, there is no choice.
why dont scientists present a Theory of Creation???
Is it because they refuse to believe that a God could exist???
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Peg
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Message 31 of 126 (538543)
12-07-2009 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Huntard
12-07-2009 6:47 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
or perhaps they would be laughed out of the lab if they proclaimed belief in creation?
their goes their credentials!

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Peg
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Message 35 of 126 (538548)
12-07-2009 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Dr Jack
12-07-2009 7:03 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
MrJack writes:
it's because of their tiresome dedication to presenting what reality teaches.
ok, so if we look at what evolutionists teach, it should be able to be tested and varified like gravity can. Gravity can be demonstrated, tested, and proved in the lab and elsewhere.
so tell me, does the evidence support the evolution of life from inanimate chemicals? Has that be tested in a lab and has it been proved that inanimate chemicals can make the leap from non living to living matter?
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Peg
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Message 39 of 126 (538567)
12-07-2009 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Coyote
12-07-2009 10:17 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
Coyote writes:
Why are you unable to separate origins from evolution?
I guess its because evolution implies that life 'evolved' - the definition of which is "To develop or achieve gradually"
no intervention needed apparently...no designer, no creator
And besides that, when evolution was first presented, it was said to be the answer to where the human race came from. So according to evolution, we were not created by God in our current form.
And to prove that we were not created in our current form, you need to be able to show that life can evolve from chemical reactions into living matter.
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Peg
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Message 40 of 126 (538568)
12-07-2009 10:49 PM
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12-07-2009 10:20 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
Modulous writes:
And yes - there is evidence of this claim, the consensus of scientists do think the origin of life started in what might be simply termed 'organic soup'.
thats exactly what i'm talking about. There was no life, then in this soup of 'goup', life evolved
something caused the nonliving matter to change into living matter and from there all the species on earth sprang
If that were true, then surely scientists would be able to reproduce it in the lab. We have all the chemicals here, all the building blocks of life are right here, so you would expect that they could reproduce this amazing thing called 'life'
have they?
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Peg
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Message 42 of 126 (538573)
12-07-2009 11:50 PM
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12-07-2009 11:12 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Peg
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Message 50 of 126 (538672)
12-09-2009 5:27 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by Huntard
12-08-2009 1:53 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Peg
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Message 51 of 126 (538674)
12-09-2009 5:39 AM
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12-08-2009 5:11 AM


Re: Percydidit?
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Peg
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Message 52 of 126 (538676)
12-09-2009 5:49 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Modulous
12-08-2009 10:10 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
Modulous writes:
Unless children are being taught that scientists have done these things, it is not on topic.
what children need to be taught is that scientists HAVE ATTEMPTED these things and failed again and again and again and again...and why have they failed?
because its impossible for non living things to come to life. If all children are taught that in science class, i'll be happpy.
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Peg
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Message 55 of 126 (538680)
12-09-2009 6:18 AM
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12-08-2009 5:55 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Peg
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Message 57 of 126 (538684)
12-09-2009 6:34 AM
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12-09-2009 5:53 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Peg
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Message 66 of 126 (538782)
12-10-2009 5:39 AM
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12-09-2009 10:44 AM


Re: what kids are taught
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Peg
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Message 68 of 126 (538785)
12-10-2009 5:54 AM
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12-09-2009 7:00 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Peg
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Message 71 of 126 (538790)
12-10-2009 6:13 AM
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12-09-2009 7:03 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
Edited by Peg, : spelling
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