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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
(1) What kind of God would you be if you could be God? I would like to think I would be a nice god. But power corrupts.........
(2) What kind of cosmos would you have created? I think the main problem for an eternal omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent god would be boredom. I would try to create a cosmos that would entertain me. I would use my omnipresence to experience all that there is to conceivably experience in a desperate bid to entertain myself on those long dark and lonely nights in eternity.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Straggler writes: I would like to think I would be a nice god. But power corrupts......... Yeah, you'd probably be a complete ass of a god: you'd make a universe where immaterial evidence is meaningless. I may be an ass but I pride myself on my sense of irony. Immaterial evidence would absolutely rule in MY universe!! The rational would be irrational in my "kingdom". Just to keep me amused and to wipe the smug grins off those friggin all too confident atheists.
You could remedy this by creating a pub before you create a universe... Or even The Universe as one giant pub.... Ahhhh bliss!
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Can omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent gods get bored? I made the comment reasonably flippantly but I have been thinking about this more seriously. Does being omniscient, in the sense of knowing everything, equate to having experienced everything? Is knowing what it is like to do or feel something the same as undergoing the actual experience itself? Would an omnipotent, omniscient god crave perpetual experience rather than just "knowing"? Experience gained through omnipresence and ones "creations"
I think answering John 10:10's question would require a paradigm shift of epic-infinite, multi-dimensional proportions. Anyone who actually can answer John 10:10's question is surely selling themselves short. I think you are right. But it is kinda fun trying. Whether flippantly or more seriously.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
As a related aside, Mormonism holds that Jesus experienced all of our pains, sins and emotions the night before He died, in the Garden of Gethsemane. Of course, He didn't go out and actually experience what it was like to be punished for stealing a ding-dong from the convenience store, but He was somehow granted all that experience. So, I would have to say that Mormons believe it is possible to gain experience by proxy. I'm not sure that this is an aside. In principle at least. It raises the question of whether or not Jesus would have been able to have been granted all that human experience if there had not been human beings to have expereinced it? No need to consider Jesus specifically here - In the paradigm that we are considering are the creations needed to have the experiences such that the god in question can have them by proxy? If so we have derived a potential reason for our existence!! Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
So should he rape Suzy or not?
I cannot find the answer in your response.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
It's not that I don't pay attention to what people say, it's that I give responses according to my own outlook. Dude you started down the morality line here. Should he rape Suzy? How do we know what god thinks is "good" or "bad" at any given time? And if he ever changes his mind how will we know?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
It doesn't follow that God is evil, EVEN IF HE DOES EVIL. So can we take it from this that God is in fact capable of evil acts after all?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I have not revealed what I meant. Well I am glad that we agree on that. Your contradictory nonsense gets more internally confused with every post.
perhaps I am just evil, or I have a twisted logic? Twisted logic? That is an easy question to answer. Evil? Well that suerly brings us back to the questions you are unable to answer. Should he rape Suzy?
What do you think? (Clear lucid answers are preferrable). I think you have dug a hole for yourself. I think that Dr Adequate has exposed the contradictions and flaws in your position with consumate clarity. I think you are now talking in pseudo-intellectual riddles to try and sound clever whilst at the same time backing out of the argument that you know you cannot defend. Is that clear and lucid enough for you?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
No, you shouldn't rape Suzy.
It would be morally wrong.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Straggler, who is an evolutionist (I don't know his opinions about God) can say clearly and distinctly that I shouldn't rape Suzy because that would be morally wrong. I think it is fair to say that I am part of the atheist contingent here. Not quite the rabid church burning militant blood sucker of an atheist some might believe me to be. But definitely an atheist of one description or another. Don't rape Suzy. It really would be very wrong indeed.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Im also taking into consideration the culture of the times when reading the accounts which they are failing to do. It was perfectly acceptable in those days for girls to be given away, even sold, into marriage. Even the kings purchased queens to make aliances with surrounding nations...it was the culture and mentality of the people and even the women seemed to accept it as normal. I dont know how anyone can judge them by our standard of today... You seem intent on having your cake and eating it in this discussion. On one hand you define rape in terms of what is or is not culturally acceptable at any given time. On the other hand you tell us that gods laws are objective, defined and independent of mans cultural inclinations. So what exactly is gods take on the enforced enslavement of women for sexual and "marriage" reasons? Did he accept it as perfectly legitimate and part of the culture in biblical times? Does he condemn it now? Does gods "objective" morality continually change to match human cultural notions of morality as you seem to be implying?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Why is it ok to support our nations as they go to war, but to condemn God for choosing to war against his enemy? Well you are the one claiming a God given objective morality here. Is killing children morally OK? Or not? Or does it depend on situation and circumstance? What is gods view on the morality of killing innocent children and how are we to discern his views on this matter such that we can comply with his laws on this in all possible situations? Or are you sayingthat we have to use our fallible human judgement to make such moral decisions in practise?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
I still don't know if gods objective morality decrees the killing of children as OK in some circumstances, such as war, or not.
Is the killing of children sometimes morally justified? How can I find out gods view on this question? Or will I have to use my own fallible mortal moral judgement when faced with such moral dilemmas?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
This is all very well. But it doesn't answer my question.
If I am a soldier faced with a complex moral dilemma about actions that will inevitably result in killing children for what I am told is a greater good what do I do? How do I know what god would want me to do in this situation? Where is the objective moral standard that you tell me exists and how do I access it in order to find the answers to such questions? Or do I just have to rely on my fallible human judgement on such matters?
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
In some way, you do have to use your judgement. If God is telling people to put their swords away, love their enemies and stop with all the warring, how do you think it applies to soldiers? So all soldiers are immoral according to you? I want to know how I can know gods objective absolute morality. But all the answers you give me suggest that in practical terms your answers are the same are those that moral relativists would give. I.e. go with your conscience, morality is a product of culture and circumstance etc. etc. etc.
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