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Kapyong
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Message 98 of 125 (120653)
07-01-2004 6:54 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by custard
06-29-2004 12:55 AM


African Grey Parrot conversation
Greetings,
Actually, these parrots really seem capable of actual conversation.
Check out this amazing conversation with "N'Kisi" the African Grey, after he had been in a car for the first time -
N'Kisi: "Remember, we went in a car"
Aimee: "Yes! Did you like it?"
N'Kisi: "I like that - wanna go out in the car"
Aimee: "We can't, wo don't have a car now"
N'Kisi: "Wanna go in a car right now"
Aimee: "I'm sorry, we can't right now - maybe we can go again later"
N'kisi: "Why can't I go in a car now?"
Aimee: "Because we don't have one"
N'kisi: "Let's get a car"
Aimee: "No Kisi, we can't get a car now"
N'kisi: "I want a car"
Aimee: "I'm sorry, baby, not today"
N'kisi: "Hurry up, wanna go in a car. Remember? We were in a car"
This not mimicry - if you did not know this was a bird, it sounds just like a child that liked his first ride in a car and wants to go again.
Early experiments with chimps (e.g. Washoe et al) have not lived up to hopes - these parrots are one of the hot species when it comes to animal communication these days.
Iasion

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Kapyong
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Message 100 of 125 (120657)
07-01-2004 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by custard
07-01-2004 7:03 AM


Re: African Grey Parrot conversation
Greetings,
Its true the "conversation" does show some limits, yet he also seems to be able to understand and communicate some basic ideas -
Aimee: "Yes! Did you like it?"
N'Kisi: "I like that - wanna go out in the car"
Responding to a question and expanding it.
Aimee: "Because we don't have one"
N'kisi: "Let's get a car"
Understanding the statement and suggesting solution.
Of course, you are correct that this is essentially ONE anecdote of unknown accuracy, indeed almost certainly biased - the woman started with the goal of showing animal communication.
My immediate source is below (I have not checked the facts myself, sorry). I first saw it in a paper some months ago.
http://www.animalsentience.com/news/2004-01-26.htm
Iasion

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Kapyong
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Message 102 of 125 (120661)
07-01-2004 7:34 AM
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07-01-2004 7:26 AM


Re: African Grey Parrot conversation
Whoops,
turns out the telepathy angle seems to a big part of this story, even with the author, not just fringe web-sites.
This seems to be the home page -
http://www.sheldrake.org/nkisi/
Iasion

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