ex libre writes:
The information I am refering to is DNA so I guess I should have said the 2nd Law would degrade the DNA as energy was lost (aging)not the other way around.
So, then, according to you, how does DNA replication not violate the 2ndLoT? Obviously DNA replication is the creation of a highly ordered piece of matter from many smaller disordered constituent parts. If DNA always degraded, this shouldn't happen, right?
As I suspected, these calculations focus on a specific outcome presuming that the observed outcome was the only possible one. It's not a valid argument against something like evolution.
Let me illustrate:
I have in my hand a deck of cards. I'm going to turn over a card:
4 of hearts.
The probability of that card turning up is 1 in 52. Now, I'll turn over another:
Q of diamonds.
The probability of that card turning up is 1 in 51, and the probability of both cards turning up as they have is 1 in (52 x 51).
Now, I'll keep turning cards over until the entire deck is laid out in series, and calculate the probability of that order. As should be obvious, it is 1 in (52 x 51 x 50 x 49 .... x 3 x 2 x 1) or about 8.1 x 10
67.
As it just so happens, I have 9 more decks of cards here with me, and I'll proceed to do just the same with each of these decks, and calculate the probability that they all end up as they do. Obviously, if we can calculate the probability of the order of one deck, we can simply multiply those probabilities together for each deck, so we bascially have:
(8.1 x 10
67)
10 = (8.1)
10 x (10
67)
10 = 1215766545.910569 x 10
670 = 1.2 x 10
679
If I had used 100 decks, the probability would be 1 in 1.2 x 10
6790.
Your argument is basically saying that it should be impossible for 5200 cards to come up in the order in which I find them when I finish because the odds are so obviously against it. Yet it would take me just about 1 hour to lay out 5200 cards from 100 decks and I would prove you wrong.
If I can acheive such a statistically unlikely event in only an hour, what do you think nature could accomplish in 4.5 billion years?
What other options are there? Spontaneous generation?
Panspermia, for one. That and the fact that the "from nothing" part of your original dichotomy is not necessarily the case.
Yes, a generalization but not nonsensical scince I have heard unbelievers state so much several times.
BZZT! Logical error: Ad Hominem Tu Quoque. It's not acceptible for you to make a false statement simply because someone else has.
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