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Author Topic:   THE END OF EVOLUTION?
Coragyps
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Message 153 of 284 (505952)
04-20-2009 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by LucyTheApe
04-20-2009 1:56 PM


our cells have been copying themselves....
But not perfectly. That's where the E-word sneaks in, Lucy.

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Coragyps
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Message 163 of 284 (506019)
04-21-2009 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by alaninnont
04-21-2009 7:03 PM


Re: End of evolution??
Is there a situation where A to I are alive today or is this just speculation?
There are a few, with the greenish warblers of Asia being among the better publicised:
Greenish warblers
I can't find the statement anywhere that "the two Siberian species are NOT interfertile." They might be - but it seems a pretty reasonable position that if the birds themselves don't want to cross that mating line, the two can be regarded as distinct species.

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Coragyps
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Message 170 of 284 (506109)
04-22-2009 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 168 by LucyTheApe
04-22-2009 3:54 PM


Re: End of evolution??
Maybe googles of information are being produced every day, but only by the creative forces of human intelligence.
I think that Herrn Fraunhofer, Bunsen, and Kirchhoff would all disagree with you, had they not all died over a century ago. The Sun is not so intelligent, despite being bright, and those gentlemen decoded a bunch of the information it produces every day to determine what elements are in its photosphere. And other scientists learned about its magnetic fields, temperatures, up-and-down motions......all of it from Dumb Information contained in its spectra. None from Creative Forces on the sun.
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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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Coragyps
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Message 236 of 284 (506666)
04-28-2009 9:12 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by pcver
04-28-2009 7:27 AM


Re: Evolution; information theory; 2nd LOT
But formation of DNA by random chance does violate 2nd LOT. It is impossible.
Does formation of water from its elements "by random chance" violate the 2LoT?
You're talking nonsense, pcver.

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Coragyps
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Message 244 of 284 (507164)
05-02-2009 12:18 PM
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05-02-2009 11:52 AM


Re: Quantum Gap
Enthalpy is not entropy, pcver.

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Coragyps
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Message 246 of 284 (507217)
05-02-2009 8:43 PM
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05-02-2009 7:58 PM


Re: Quantum Gap
Random formation of DNA structure is more analogous to water molecules splitting into hydrogen and oxygen by random chance, (not the other way around like you said).
And of course that would violate the 2LoT.
Water molecules do exactly that every time if you put them in the photosphere of a hottish star, and don't violate the 2LoT even a little bit. Enthalpy /= entropy, and it's Gibbs' free energy that you're looking for to determine if a reaction is spontaneous, anyway. It involves both.

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Coragyps
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Message 261 of 284 (507358)
05-04-2009 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 259 by pcver
05-04-2009 6:53 AM


Re: Bye, bye. It's the end of Evolution
That sig is a quote from a bishop that lived a millenium ago, pcver.
Bye!

"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

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