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Author Topic:   General discussion of moderation procedures: The Sequel
Rrhain
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Message 30 of 300 (212300)
05-29-2005 6:24 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Admin
05-26-2005 9:38 AM


Re: Brief Advice
Admin writes:
quote:
The onus is upon you to figure out what I want, not the other way around.
Realizing that this will get me suspended....
With this statement, Percy, you show yourself to be an ass.
You're the one with the power, Percy. You're the one who is supposedly trying to maintain a respectful atmosphere. How on earth do you expect that to happen when you tell the readership that it is their responsibility to read your mind?
I understand that you are trying to avoid a long, drawn out conversation regarding this. There are the forum guidelines, they need to be followed, etc. But who else are we to go to in order to get a ruling on just what constitutes a violation of those guidelines? You are judge, jury, and executioner, Percy. Don't you think your constituency deserves to ask you what is going on inside your head?
I'm not saying you have to do it here on the board. If it would be a distraction, take it offline. When a decision is reached (and I'm not saying that the person arguing against your interpretation has to agree with you), you can come back here and summarize the issue and why you are interpreting your rules the way you are. It will allow everybody else to know your mind so that, hopefully, such violations can be avoided in the future.
But to say that it is our responsibility to figure out what you want shows a severe lack of respect for the people you claim to be working for.
There's an experiment regarding the effect of known rewards for a given behaviour. Some animals were rewarded every time they pressed the lever. Some animals had a reward system based on a pattern...not every time, but it could be determined that the reward would happen every second or third time. And some had a completely random output of reward.
After acclimatization, the reward was turned off. Those who had the reward constantly learned the quickest to stop pressing the lever. Those who had to press the lever a few times before getting the reward took longer.
But those who had the random rewards never stopped pressing the lever. They learned that rewards were capricious and arbitrary and couldn't be trusted to be based upon their actions.
Do you think that's the message you want to send to the participants here? That at any moment you can swoop down and punish them and that they are undeserving of any explanation?
That the "onus is upon [them] to figure out what [you] want"?
Remember, you don't even remember what the issue is. Wouldn't it have been better to simply let it go at, "I'm sorry, but since I do not have any recollection of the specifics at this time, I am unable to give you the assistance that you are requesting. Please know that if you can come up with a specific example or point me to a specific thread, I will do my best to explain why I feel the way I feel. Please know that it may be different than what I had considered previously because I am coming at it from a fresh perspective and for any inconsistencies, I apologize in advance."

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Rrhain
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Posts: 6351
From: San Diego, CA, USA
Joined: 05-03-2003


Message 36 of 300 (212521)
05-30-2005 12:03 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Admin
05-29-2005 8:52 AM


Re: Brief Advice
Admin responds to me:
quote:
Explanations have very rarely effected change in behavior.
But you don't do it for the people who won't listen to you. As you pointed out, nothing you say will ever make them listen.
Instead, you do it for those who do listen. By telling the people who don't want to run afoul of the rules that you don't give a fig about explaining to them why they screwed up, they will never be able to respect or understand any decision you do make.
After all, they're not worthy of you.
It's your board. You run it at your pleasure. But I have to wonder why you do it when you treat the readers here with such contempt.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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