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Author Topic:   General discussion of moderation procedures: The Sequel
MangyTiger
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Message 16 of 300 (211637)
05-26-2005 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Admin
05-26-2005 4:00 PM


The nature of the debate
I think there is a fundamental (no pun intended) problem at the heart of EvC Forum, at least as far as the Evolution vs Creation science discussions are concerned.
Let's take the YEC belief in a young Earth as the prime example. This was shown to be wrong something like 200 years ago by people who were both Christians and believers in a young Earth. Although they had no way to establish the actual age of the Earth they worked out that beyond a shadow of a doubt it was much, much older than 6000 years.
The same is true for the Flood. There is no evidence for it in the geological record - in fact there is categoric evidence it never happened.
There will be an endless supply of (mostly) completely unqualified people who want to argue these issues but because the evidence is so overwhelming there can be no real scientific debate.
The real problem is that these people have the view that if the bible is not totally true in every last detail then none of it is and their faith will be destroyed - and their faith is probably the single most important thing in their lives. Is it really possible to have a sensible debate with someone who has that level of emotional investment in their side of the argument?
As far as I can see the inevitable consequence of this is that you are going to have to deal with people who can't accept being shown they are wrong. Isn't the end result of enforcing the evidence and rebuttal guidelines going to be that there are no creos left, because they've all either had to admit they were wrong or they've left/been banned?
Having said all that EvC is one of my favourite places on the Web. I have two selfish reasons for hoping you manage to attract and keep creationists here. First I've learned loads of stuff from the people who know what they're talking about (this is true in both the Science and Religion areas). Second creos say the funniest things I still get a giggle out of:
And on further thought I realized that birds would have found the dinosaurs themselves to be a handy high perch above the waters, as well as whatever trees were also on those high places, until of course the water got them all.

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MangyTiger
Member (Idle past 6383 days)
Posts: 989
From: Leicester, UK
Joined: 07-30-2004


Message 24 of 300 (211982)
05-27-2005 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Trixie
05-27-2005 5:20 PM


Re: Moderating Standards
Has it really escaped admin's attention that Faith had been hurling insults for much of the thread?
Over three weeks ago in Message 142 of the predecessor thread to this one I pointed out that Faith is, by her own admission, only staying around because she's allowed to throw insults by the Admins.
My last paragraph in that message:
Just for the record I'm referring exclusively to trolling in the "abusive/inflammatory messages" sense here, since this is what Faith admits to. It is currently a matter of opinion whether she is also indulging in the "outrageous argument" variety as a troll rather than because she believes what she posts.
After the Meteor Thread I lean even more towards the "outrageous argument troll" opinion than I did.

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