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iano
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Message 56 of 69 (304905)
04-18-2006 6:55 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Dubious Drewski
04-17-2006 4:39 PM


Seeking and finding
I am an Ex-Fundie who is looking for a secular "religion" to call my own. I want nothing more than to belong to a group of similarily-minded folks who would rather follow Aristotle's Golden Means or Rule-Utilitarianism than some limited, arbitrary and out-of-date commandments written in an ancient text.
Why not start your own religion? That way you can have all the elements you find attractive, noble and worthwhile whilst excluding any element you find unattractive. If its about what you want then this is the optimal route.
If on the other hand you would prefer to seek the truth then it becomes less a matter of what you would like and more a matter of it is the way it is. In that case I heartily recommend investigating Christianity. It doesn't 'require' following any commandments new or old and in that sense is very refreshing (although what one might consider old fashioned about not stealing and murdering is beyond me )
You say your an ex-Fundi. I presume this was Fundimental Christianity (whatever that is). If so, you might be of the opinion that you have already tried Christianity. However this Christians understanding is that God is the one who makes a person a Christian and that that action, once carried out - is irreversible. It follows that one cannot, per that definition, be an ex-Christian

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iano
Member (Idle past 1971 days)
Posts: 6165
From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
Joined: 07-27-2005


Message 58 of 69 (304937)
04-18-2006 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Dubious Drewski
04-18-2006 9:36 AM


Re: Seeking and finding
I am searching for a group of inherently practical, logical and humane people.
Aren't we all? For myself it was a search for a system which wouldn't just answer some questions I had but all the questions I had in a fully coherent way. I never found completeness in the philosophies. For instance, there is much talk of objective morals on this site and it seems to me that without something external to ourselves to provide them then subjective they must ultimately remain.
Which clashed with my just knowing there were objective morals. That there was objective morality was as inescapable as the fact of my own existance. Doubt one, doubt the other - which would have been bugger all use to me.
I was raised Christian, yes. In terms of what a Christian is, I don't believe I have any of those qualities anymore. I do, in fact believe the commandments (while still respectable) are not nearly as practical or comprehensive as the works of moral philosophers. (What does the bible have to say about human cloning? Philosophy covers it.)
Elsewhere there is a thread running called "Can children have faith?" It must certainly encompass the idea that children are taught/indoctrinated into Christianity as they are many other things. Suffice to say that Christianity is not an learned set of beliefs. Christianity is at its most...er...fundemental level, a positional state in which God takes a person out of one position and puts them in another. Whilst one can don the mantle of the characteristics of what a Christian is exhorted to become, post-positional-change-of-state, this has no bearing on their actual position. If God has done this then one is a Christian, if not then one isn't nor ever has been.
Been there/done that/got the T-shirt cannot apply. If not then one cannot know whether it is practical or comprehensive. Outside looking in problems abound.
The purpose of the commandments/law is not primarily that we follow/adhere to them. They were given in the first instance to simply show us that we cannot follow them. In that role they excel were we to take even a short hard look at ourselves. They shouldn't be supposed to function as what they aren't (on the outside side of Christianity)
If followed to the letter the we would have heaven on earth. In that sense, whilst comprehensive, they are totally impractical. So we have to fudge and provide phlexible-philosophies that take account of our ever shifting perception of reality. Philosophy: the ever-moveable feast.

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