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Author Topic:   The Pope's Faulty Thesis (in regards to Islam)
robinrohan
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Message 27 of 75 (350195)
09-19-2006 7:13 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Tusko
09-19-2006 5:22 AM


...who believes in "evolutionism"? To me that sounds like one of those straw men that creationists use when they want to combine abiogenesis, evolution and the big bang into one super-enemy.
Evolutionism makes sense to me. Evolution suggests abiogenesis and abiogenesis suggests no God. Might as well go all the way.
ABE: I can see why the Pope would be leery of it.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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robinrohan
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Message 31 of 75 (350210)
09-19-2006 8:06 AM
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09-19-2006 7:39 AM


But I still think that its reasonable for a religious person to believe that God, in his infinite cunning, put in place the conditions that allowed everything, the universe and life to arise.
One might believe that, but there's no necessity to believe it. Evolutionism makes God dispensable. This is what the Pope fears. It's not a strawman.

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robinrohan
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Message 35 of 75 (350228)
09-19-2006 9:12 AM
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09-19-2006 8:53 AM


Those who didn't want to admit that the earth wasn't the centre of the universe saw heliocentrism as a challenge to their notion of the Almighty. Now as our notion of God has adapted, heliocentrism is largely an irrelevance.
I'd argue that its similar with evolution and abiogenesis. These concepts challege people's notion of what God is and does, but there is still plenty of room for a pretty coherent notion of God that takes into account that life didn't necessarily originate with a Kazzam! one day when some omnipotent being felt like doing something a bit different.
As I mentioned in the previous message, my hunch is that that if you play up the "preplanned" nature of the universe, God is made no more of an irrelevance than when earth just became the third rock from the sun.
Of course I want to hear what you say in response, but I might just leave off responding myself unless I can see a way of tying it back into the discussion of the pope's recent speech. (Unless you can see a way.)
You've made an interesting parallel with heliocentrism. Might be worth a new topic?
(definitely off-topic here).
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robinrohan
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Message 37 of 75 (350233)
09-19-2006 9:36 AM
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09-19-2006 9:31 AM


Would you or anyone else mind doing an OP?
I'll give it a try.

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