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Author Topic:   Mythology with real places & people
greentwiga
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Message 79 of 289 (511557)
06-10-2009 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Modulous
06-10-2009 11:46 AM


Re: Supernatural causes
Though my heart lies with Peg's beliefs, you are right. No matter how accurate the story is, you can't use it to prove the spiritual part, the cause of the event. Even with Noah's flood, we have more than two versions, One connects the flood with the God of the Bible, the others connect with Gods devoutly worshiped in Mesopotamia for thousands of years. How does one know which one, if any, had anything to do with it. Though, for us Christians, it is important that the Bible reports history accurately, it doesn't prove God's existence, or that he had a hand in the event. Thus, Christians focus on changed lives. The letter of 1 John lists about 25 signs to look for in a Christian.
As a sidelight, a good case can be made that the Hindus still worship gods that are related to the Roman gods. I have even seen articles proposing that the worship of Mary and the saints is a modern incarnation of the Roman gods. You are right, it is rather irrelevant.
Thus, I can try to show that the the Garden of Eden or the flood were a Historical events, and even try to show that they were involved with religious conflicts between two different sets of beliefs. Proving them true eliminates a reason to reject the religion, it doesn't prove the religion right. Therefore, I agree with Modulous' points a and b with this caveat, it does not mean being wrong either. You can't unequivocally state that the Bible is myth with real people, places, and events.

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greentwiga
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Message 85 of 289 (511614)
06-10-2009 4:44 PM
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06-10-2009 3:53 PM


Re: True myths, unfalsifiable positions.
Thanks, I was going with the frequent belief that myth meant therefore false. I was wrong, according to the Dictionary. There was no statement on truth or falseness of the myth.

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greentwiga
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Message 91 of 289 (511640)
06-10-2009 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Theodoric
06-10-2009 5:59 PM


Re: Try Again
Theodoric, you tickle me. We agree that even myths like the Iliad and the Odessy have some historical fact behind them. If we do like you say and show the historical basis, such as Sennacherib's caging Hezekiah like a golden bird, you can still claim the spiritual aspects, such as the angel of the lord putting 185,000 to death, as myth. Isn't it really the spiritual aspect that you question? No matter how many historical facts that someone might present, this is not a way that has a chance of convincing you.

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greentwiga
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Message 117 of 289 (511737)
06-11-2009 1:27 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Theodoric
06-11-2009 12:51 AM


Re: Try Again
No, I wasn't laughing at you like you were some silly unbeliever. You said, "some of the bible stories may have some basis in historical events, adding the supernatural makes them mythology just like other myths of that time period." That is what I was saying you said. There is no way to prove the supernatural. When I present my study of the Garden of Eden, all I can do is show that the non-supernatural aspects are historically and scientifically accurate. All I can do is remove the historically inaccurate interpretations. For example, it is historically and scientifically inaccurate to say the flood was worldwide and covered Mt Everest. There is another interpretation that fits every Biblical word and fits science. Those discussions are in other threads, so lets not get into them here.

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