Mythology with real places & people

Troy. Not to mention Athens, Sparta, Ithaca, etc. The story is set in the land in which it was told.By your Biblical standard, this means that the story is TRUE. Therefore Achielles was a REAL person, who REALLY killed the priest of Apollo and who REALLY died because Apollo helped Paris to kill him.This PROVES that Apollo (and by extension ALL Greek and Roman Gods) was real, which in turn DISPROVES the Bible's claim that Yahweh is unique.

So, if I claim that someone performed a miracle, then there must have been supernatural intervention.Is this true for miracles I claim were done by people other than Jesus?If I told you that there was a man who lived a few hundred years after Jesus who did all the same things Jesus did --born to a virgin
3 wise men
sheppards at the birth
disappears until he's 30
hangs around with disciples
walks on water
raises Lazarus from the dead
heals the blind
dies on the cross with two thieves
descended into hell for 3 days
comes back and it discovered by women-- would you say this person was equally divine? Why worship Jesus if someone else did all the same things more recently?Remember, I too was an only begotten son until I had a brother.

Actually, it's the opposite. Everyone is following this law. Do you have any evidence of any wizards using magic in front of normal people? Nope. That's because they take this law very seriously.

Peg, Jesus was a fictional character.For you to buy into a fictional event in one part of the Bible because a fictional character in another part of the Bible says that the first part of the Bible was correct is more than a little ridiculous, don't you think?

And yet you yourself don't come close to living up to the laws laid down in the Bible.Melbourne is a big place. I promise you that there is at least one other person in Melbourne who is Hindu, or Aborigini, or Taoist, or Buddhist, etc.If even ONE person in Melbourne follows a different religion, the Bible tells you that it is your duty to MURDER everyone in Melbourne.Deuteronomy 13:13-19
"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants..."The premise of your argument is that God is always right, that the Bible is his word - therefore, if you believe in God, you MUST murder everyone in Melbourne.--OR--Parts of the Bible could be WRONG.Your choice.

Alexander the Great was a historical figure. I suspect that a lot of your trouble derives from the fact that you have trouble distinguishing the two.The story of Jesus is a familiar one. It was a familiar one for hundreds, if not thousands of years, prior to "Jesus".Virtually everything you know about Jesus is also true about a previous deity, be it Horus, Mithra, Krishna, etc -- even Joseph from the Old Testament.The Horus stuff is particularly aggregious-born to a virgin in late December, Horus is the son of a deity. His birth is marked by a star, occurs in a humble place, is heralded by angels and witnessed by sheppards
-As a child he's hunted by Herot and visited by three wise men
-He disappears from infancy to age 12 when he partakes in a religious ceramony
-He doesn't appear again until age 30 where he travels with his diciples
-He walks on water, casts out demons, healed the sick and the blind, even commanded the seas to be calm
-He raised Elasarus from the dead in Bethanu
-He was tempted in the desert and brought to a high mountain
-He was cruxified with two thieves, buried in a tomb, descended into Hell for 3 days, then was resurrected and witnessed by women
-His symbol is the fish. He's known as the sheppard, the lamb, the savior of man, the bread of life.Sound familiar? I'm skipping a few things.Horus predates Jesus by several hundred, if not a few thousand, years. He's a part of the Egyptian religion.Jesus, as a character, is a repackaging of the core "Solar Deity". He doesn't represent a real person.However, if you want to make an argument for his ACTUALLY having existed and doing these things, you would have to accept that Horus was likewise a real person - and thus the Bible's claim that the God of the Jews is the one and only God is falsified.

To be clear, I am NOT saying that there was never anyone named "Jesus" (or however you want to spell it) 2000 years ago. I'm sure there were MANY MANY MANY people named Jesus.I'm sure that at least ONE of them was a carpenter.
I'm sure that at least ONE of them ate bread and drank wine.
I'm sure that at least ONE of them went to temple.
I'm sure that at least ONE of them had 12 friends.None of that justifies the fictional account in the Bible. The Biblical account is CLEARLY just a repackaging of earlier religious motiffs which stem ultimately from astrology.

Then God isn't very bright because there are some very basic factual mistakes in the Bible.-The Earth is not a flat disc.
-The Earth is not placed upon pillars
-The Earth does not have corners
-Rabbits are not a kind of cow
-Insects have six legs
-Pi does not equal 3.0
etc etc etcAll these things are ABSOLUTELY forgivable is mistaken observations by people who live in the bronze age Middle East trying to rationalize the world around them.However, these and many other errors, are UNFORGIVABLE if you attribute them to an all knowing all seeing deity.

Not to drag us terribly off topic, but King Arthur is most likely an amalgimation of a collection of kings from that area. His name basically means "King Bear" and could refer to any of dozens of local warlords who were either named Bear or had a bear as their symbol.Robin Hood, on the otherhand is absolutely real because I have a coloring book that features him and in the coloring book I wrote "Everything in this coloring book is real". And, since it says right in the coloring books "Everything in this coloring book is real" I know that "everything in this coloring book is real" including Robin Hood. QED.

It was believed that Harry Potter was a fictional character until they found out that there really was a London.You can set a fictional story against real historical figures. In fact, MOST fictional stories are set against real historical figures and places. Peg, I'm going to forgive you for bringing this up, because I'm fairly certain that you are not DELIBERATELY lying.The 'Testimonium Flavianum', the work attributed to Josephus, has been known to be fraudulent for centuries. It's not mentioned by any Christian who post dates Josephus and predates the discovery of the TF. It's language is strikingly non-Josephus in vocab, style and belief and it contains anachronisms.In otherwords, it's fake. It's a lie.

You mean like Paul. Paul, who was for the 70 years between the "death of Jesus" and the writing of the Gospels, the only person writing down anything about Jesus?Paul lived at the alledged time of Jesus. He travelled and talked to people who would have known Jesus directly or were only one or two degrees of seperation from him.He would have come into contact with people who had witnessed or at least heard about Jesus' miracles.Do you know what Paul fails to mention about Jesus in his letters?Virgin birth, water into wine, walking on water, loaves and fishes, riding the donkey, overturning the money tables, curing the sick, healing the blind, raising the dead, coming back from the dead, etc etc etcPaul doesn't mention ANY of the miracles you later find in the Gospels.This is sort of like a historian writing a book about Abraham Lincoln in 1880 and failing to mention the stove pipe hat, the Presidency, the Gettysburg address, the Civil War and the Assassination.The ONLY reasonable excuse is that these stories had not yet been attributed to "Jesus" when Paul was writing.You know what we call a story which changes over time - fiction.

First of all, you're wrong. I have looked at the historical writings. The problem is that the "Best" writings - (joshepus for example) are outright frauds.When your side of the debate resorts to lying to try and convince people of something, it makes us suspicious that EVERYTHING on your side is equally dishonest.I also can't help but notice that you COMPLETELY skipped my post about the similarities between Horus and Jesus. Why is that?When you ignore a line of argument because you can't refute it - that's dishonest. It's the sort of behavior that makes us suspicious that EVERYTHING you say is dishonest.See how this works. You establish that you don't have integrity, then you wonder why we don't take you seriously.Could there have been a guy in the Middle East 2000 years ago who had the first name Jesus? Sure. Maybe he was even a carpenter.He was not, however, a miracle worker. Those stories (like MOST of the rest of the Bible) were simply pilftered from other, earlier religions.

The Gospel of Mark wasn't written until AT LEAST 70 years after the alledged time of Jesus. It specifically references the destruction of the Temple which is an event for which we have historical data.The other Gospels derive from Mark.So, between the supposed cruxifiction and Mark - the only one writing about Jesus was Paul.And as I mentioned (and you again completely failed to address) Paul fails to mention any of the important facts we would expect to hear if they had really happened. No miracles, no cruxifiction, no virgin birth - nada.It's as though in ONE generation, EVERYONE had completely forgotten EVERYTHING that Jesus had done, only to SUDDENLY remember it all 70 years later. And in that and other letters he refers to Jesus not the way you talk about a historical figure, but the way your talk about a mythical spiritual being.Again. NO references to any of the supposed events which would have JUST taken place. Some miracles - no one remembered them? This is simply false. Check your timeline.Further, if you were writing a letter to the Abraham Lincoln fanclub in 1890, you would mention the Civil War OR the Assassination OR the Gettysburg Address OR the Presidency, if not ALL of those things.Paul fails to even reference that Jesus apparently died only a few years earlier on the cross?Must have slipped his mind. Which is what you say about ANY solar deity whom you assume never has corporial form.Paul is not talking about a man.

Now, now, now. Remember, it's your religion that tells you not to bear false witness.Writings which YOU attribute to Josephus reference Jesus. That doesn't make them his works.Christian historians who were alive after Josephus but before this book was trotted out by the church reference Josephus' OTHER works but not this one.You would think that Christian historians reviewing Josephus would reference a mention of Christ over any other work. Doesn't happen.Not until this book miraculously appears. Written in a different syntax and with anachronistic references which Josephus could not have made.In other words - NOT written by him. Written centuries later and attributed TO him by dishonest Christians who felt that their religion was so weak that they needed to lie to try and trick people into believing it.Shameful. So you say, but early Christian writers who were dealing recording historical accounts dealing with Nero fail to mention Tacitus at all.Then there's the mistaken recording of Pilates title. An error we ALSO curiously find in an entirely different language in the Josephus.You know what it means when two DIFFERENT suspicious historical accounts both accidently make the same mistake about the same figure? It means the same guy is forging both documents.So, your two best examples are both highly suspicious at best, and obvious forgeries at worst.Meanwhile, you are talking about a man who was doing MIRACLES. He raised El Asarus from the dead. Oh, wait, no, that was Horus. Jesus raised "Lasarus" from the dead (totally different). You would think that SOMEONE WOULD JOT THAT DOWN.

Now, I'm going to have to just flat out call you a liar.You HAVE had this explained to you. BY ME. You ignored the post.I personally take offense to the fact that you holier than thou Christian like to ride in on your high horse and proceed to spout bald faced lies as though we aren't going to call you on it.I explained IN GREAT DETAIL how Jesus ENTIRE life was lifted DIRECTLY from the accounts of Horus, some of which date back to 2000BC.How did the myth of Jesus develop so fast? The RENAMED "Horus" "Jesus", that's how.