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Message 9 of 28 (340906)
08-17-2006 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by GDR
08-17-2006 1:41 PM


Sounds like Sexual Selection.
... but I've never completely bought the explanations of why the evolutionary process has seemed so erratic. From a strictly common sense point of view it would seem to me that evolution would occur gradually and evenly throughout time if it was stictly a natural process with no external intervention.
Why?
It's a matter of random mutations that occur unpredictably, and
It's a matter of natural selection of the mutations that happen to be beneficial over those that are not, what those selection systems involve are not constant either, as it can swing from one extreme environment to another for the subject species in the subject areas
With all the makings of a fractal\chaos system, with no steady state and no mean state. Is there any mechanism to drive it towards a steady state?
And then there is sexual selection - see R.A.Fisher and Feedback Sexual Selection for a system that can turbo-charge genetic change in a species.
The indications are that sexual selection played a role in the selection of increased creativity in humans, thus selecting for better brains -- from wikipedia
Sexual selection - Wikipedia
... Some of these traits also represent energetically costly investments for the animals that bear them. Because traits held to be due to sexual selection often conflict with the survival fitness of the individual, the question then arises as to why, in nature, in which survival of the fittest is considered the rule of thumb, such apparent liabilities are allowed to persist.
An often-cited theory, published by R.A. Fisher in 1930, that attempts to resolve the paradox, posits that such traits are the results of explosive positive feedback loops that have as their starting points particular sexual preferences for features that confer a survival advantage and thus "become established in the species." Fisher argued that such features advance in the direction of the preference even beyond the optimal level for survival, until the selection pressure of female choice is precisely counterbalanced by the resultant disadvantage for survival.
Certainly the brain size is at the limit for survival of the mother and child during the birth process, and thus an overly large brain qualifies as being "beyond the optimal level for survival"
That is what I think this data shows as well -- areas subject to intense selection rather than normal survival selection levels.
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Message 10 of 28 (340909)
08-17-2006 7:48 PM
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08-17-2006 7:15 PM


Re: Doesn't this sound like design?
As Theists we have to conclude that the Hand of God was involved somewhere. Why not conclude that it is here in this instance? If not here, then where would you bring it in?
Why not here? Because it is a logical fallacy to claim "It's GOD" every time we don't know something.
It also promotes ignorance -- why look for a more compelling answer when you have "GOD-DID-IT" already?
When would I bring it in? At the beginning is one viable option.
General steady background noise is another -- to turn your previous comment around
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... but I've never completely bought the explanations of why the evolutionary process has seemed so erratic. From a strictly common sense point of view it would seem to me that evolution would occur gradually and evenly throughout time if it was stictly a natural process with no external intervention.
One can with equal incredulity claim that from a "strictly common sense point of view" that god's design handiwork should occur evenly thoughout time ...
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Message 11 of 28 (340912)
08-17-2006 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by ramoss
08-17-2006 10:53 AM


I saw this on google news this morning
The brain genes that gave man a head start on chimpanzees | Health | The Guardian
There have been other hints of fast evolution of parts of the human genome before, and it was also portrayed as "unusual" - even by someone who should know better.
http://www.newsroom.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=875
"Humans March to a Faster Genetic "Drummer" Than Other Primates, UC Riverside Research Says, Research Runs Counter to Darwin’s Theory of Natural Selection"
The process was not random, Dugaiczyk said, and it was not subject to an environmental "natural selection," separating winners and losers as theorized by Darwin.
"We are not contending that natural selection does not exist, but that in this instance it is a chemical process within human chromosomes that explains why humans have an explosive expansion of DNA repeats, and other primates do not," Dugaiczyk said.
Darwin also suggested sexual selection where the "winners and losers" are not those who live or die, but those who get to reproduce or not.
Sexual selction occurs every generation, so it can operate much faster than survival selection once a {trend\feature\ability} has been picked as "desirable" in a mate.
We have other evidence of sexual selection in humans as well -- neoteny features, apparently bare skin and long head hair.
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