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A Christian believes at least the basics as described in various creeds and confessions, and is a Bible-believer, the Bible being understood to have been supernaturally transmitted to the prophets by God Himself. All of it. I know this is disputed here, from many angles, so I don't usually get into it.AbE: People claim all kinds of things rightly and wrongly. Means nothing in itself.This message has been edited by Faith, 11-26-2005 10:56 PM

Well, first, let me correct a mistatement I obviously made.The list is only 10,000+ names, not 20,000. That was a mistake on my part and I'd like to correct it now. Yes, people can claim anything. They can claim to have the correct interpretation of the Bible. Means nothing in itself.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Definitely.

Officially inviting you up to chat, if you can handle the heat! Im not against you, by the way! (Sat. 9:50 pm Denver time)

Thanks Phat but I'm just making quick runs into EvC as it is, trying to get some work done in between, and chat would just be too much at this point.Not to mention that I'm not up to taking any heat at the moment. But thanks, some other time.

Anyone who believes that is quite naive.

That's a lot of people you claim to know are naive.

But not only is there no consensus among those who call themselves "Christians" as to what the basics are, there isn't even agreement over what constitutes Canon.

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"Come let us reason together" - he invites any and all.

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Yes, and if you read that statement in its Biblical context, it is clear that what that means is He is inviting His errant people to reason about their sins, to understand that although their sins are very bad He is a merciful God who will forgive them if they turn from those sins and obey Him. You are apparently reading your own idea of what "reason together" means into the Bible.

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Your definition of Christian is establishing your limits and making them his.'Come let us reason together' - you may be a very bad boy, but I can make it alright........is your limit.But - 'come let us reason together' is an invitation with infinite possibilities as are God's possibilities infinite.The rest of your post also establishes your limits as a Christian, for it 'did not slip the surly bonds of earth to fly where never lark or even eagle flew'.

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A Christian believes at least the basics as described in various creeds and confessions, and is a Bible-believer, the Bible being understood to have been supernaturally transmitted to the prophets by God Himself. All of it. I know this is disputed here, from many angles, so I don't usually get into it.

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This is what it means to you - you need to say that. The concept 'Christian' is a highly personal one - a one on one with Christ to work out the meaning on an individual base, not a collective. That is why the definitions vary among those who ascribe to Christ. There is NO pat answer.You took umbrage with the term 'disputed'. Why do you come here? To debate? Is another application for dispute, which is not always negative.
Good luck to you.

[content deleted](I made a link to a closed thread)This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 11-27-2005 09:12 AM

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The Bible is God's word and God's word cannot be disputed.

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But you yourself havily interpret certain parts of the Bible when it suits you, and take other parts at face value when it suits you.That is clear for anyone to see. You therefore do the same as any other denomination; you just do it for different passages and come to a different interpretation than others.for example, you do not take literally the passage in the Bible which indicates that all believers should be able to cure disease by touching the afflicted, handle poisonous snakes without danger, and drink any deadly thing and be completely unharmed, and that these are signs that should indicate to people who the real Christians are. You interpret your way out of the simple, direct reading of this passage.For some reason, you think it is OK to do this in this instance, but it isn't OK to do this in Genesis.It's arbitrary and just as interpretive as any other reading of the Bible that differs from yours.In addition, you have admitted that humans are fallible, and therefore it follows that human perception and interpretation of the Bible is also fallable.You, and the people you follow, are fallible, and so you might be wrong in youtr interpretation, right?

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Sure. Conservative clergy adhere to the Bible as God's own revelation even when it brings them into conflict with the ideas and fashions of the world, including worldly morality and science, while liberal clergy are willing to compromise the Bible with such worldly ideas and fashions, rejecting some parts of it if necessary, reinterpreting parts to fit the world if they can.

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So, that means that you follow a liberal interpretation of certain passages of the Bible.You do interpret parts of the Bible to fit modern ideas. Otherwise, you would advocate slavery and you would believe that all Christians should be able to drink any poison and remain unharmed. You would also believe that a hard firmament into which the stars are "set" is what the sky is made of.Etcetera.

Maybe if some of those people were to actually read the Bible, they might start to wonder whether they should really blame God for everything that is written in it.

that's one mans opinion.he could be wrong eh?