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Author Topic:   Heat Calculations for Post-Flood Plate Movements
Tranquility Base
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Message 4 of 36 (362657)
11-08-2006 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by obvious Child
11-05-2006 2:13 AM


The front-running creationist theory of rapid plate tectonics is Baumgardner's 'Catastrophic Plate Tectonics'. He's a PhDed geophysicist who developed a mainstream plate tectonics simulation engine while at Los Alamos and has claimed that it can shift into a rapid mode that would break-up Pangea during the Flood:
Global Flood - Home Of Global Flood
The point for you is that rapid uplifts go hand in hand with rapid plate tectonics.
BTW, like your 'ignorant' creationist friend, I also personally believe Pangea-break-up occurred more slowly than Baumgardner, post-Flood between Noah and Babel over a period of 340 years.

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Message 9 of 36 (362805)
11-09-2006 7:12 AM
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11-09-2006 3:39 AM


In a post-Flood Mesozoic scenario the subduction rates are 350 times lower so we have much less of an initiation problem and heating problem.

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Message 10 of 36 (362806)
11-09-2006 7:15 AM
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11-09-2006 3:58 AM


Re: How Could Continents Act as Billard Balls?
In a post-Flood Mesozoic model we have catastrophic plate tectonics stopping around 2300BC and with e.g. Rohl's (a 'non-fundamentalist') new Egyptian chronology of overlapping dynasties we can have Egypt being settled post-catastrophic tectonics.

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Message 14 of 36 (362834)
11-09-2006 9:34 AM
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11-09-2006 8:14 AM


Re: The Not-So-Peaceful Pacific
C14 is partially calibrated and due to (i) the errors in Egyptology and (ii) effects of acclerated decay on C14 we believe that most human civilization events 4000BC-2500BC can be compressed into 2500BC-2000BC.

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Message 15 of 36 (362841)
11-09-2006 9:55 AM
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11-09-2006 9:02 AM


Re: How Could Continents Act as Billard Balls?
A few years ago I summarised Rohl as:
STANDARD: Old K (2650-2150BC), Middle K (2050-1700BC), New K (1550-1100BC)
REVISED: Old K (2100-1600BC), Middle K (1750-1450BC), New K (1050-600BC)
so in the end it becomes a 550 year correction.
The supporting refs MAY be here:
http://EvC Forum: David Rohl's Research (Re: 'A Test Of Time', re: Egyptian chronology) -->EvC Forum: David Rohl's Research (Re: 'A Test Of Time', re: Egyptian chronology)
Most summaries only look at his Middle-New Kingdom stuff.
In any case once one goes pre-start Old Kingdom you're purely on C14.

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Message 16 of 36 (362843)
11-09-2006 9:55 AM
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11-09-2006 9:22 AM


Re: How Could Continents Act as Billard Balls?

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Message 18 of 36 (362847)
11-09-2006 10:06 AM
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11-09-2006 9:02 AM


Re: How Could Continents Act as Billard Balls?
The 350 factor? Is it enough? I don't know for sure, but anyone battling overheating in a 1 year period would love to have it stretched a factor 350. Only a handful of PhD young-earth creationists are working on post-Flood Mesozoic models so we just don't know yet.
Slowing Baumgardner down? He wont have it (or at least his collegues). But in my experience (in theoretical phyics, PhD whether you want to believe that or not) it's quite easy to get a 2-3 order of magnitude variation in a theory like his. In my weak interactions work we often had 6 orders of magnitude variation in a prediction of this nature but that involved constraints on putative (now ruled out) 4th generation quarks.

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Message 19 of 36 (362850)
11-09-2006 10:14 AM
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11-09-2006 9:57 AM


Accelerated decay
Coragyps, I suspect it was discussed here somewhere:
http://EvC Forum: New helium retention work suggests young earth and accelerated decay -->EvC Forum: New helium retention work suggests young earth and accelerated decay
As you probably know the helium diffusion dating (at face value) implies accelerated decay and evolution of one or more fundamental constants including the Fermi constant could be involved. Kaluza-Klein theories (Einstein worked on these) can include evolving constants.

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Message 21 of 36 (362854)
11-09-2006 10:21 AM
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11-09-2006 10:15 AM


Re: How Could Continents Act as Billard Balls?
I'll try and track down the article I transcribed that revisioin correction summary from. I can still picture the diagram I extracted it from . . I'll also check the Rohl book.
Dendrochronology 'wiggle matching' has been challenged even mainstream as you may be aware.

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Message 24 of 36 (362863)
11-09-2006 10:41 AM
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11-09-2006 10:35 AM


Re: How Could Continents Act as Billard Balls?
I love dendrochronology but the wiggle alignment is not as fool proof as might be hoped according to material I read. If I find it I'll post it.

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Message 25 of 36 (362865)
11-09-2006 10:43 AM
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11-09-2006 10:36 AM


Re: Accelerated decay
Varves? I don't know if they are technically varves at the recent Mt St Helen's mud flows but there are tens of thousands of micro-layers.

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Message 27 of 36 (362874)
11-09-2006 11:01 AM
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11-09-2006 10:53 AM


Is there a dendrochronology thread?
I think this needs to continue there with folks who know more about dendrochronology than us although I'll see what I come across.

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Message 29 of 36 (362878)
11-09-2006 11:09 AM
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11-09-2006 11:01 AM


Re: Is there a dendrochronology thread?
The AIG response is here:
Biblical Chronology 8,000-Year Bristlecone Pine Ring Chronology | Answers in Genesis
involving cross matching and, interestingly, Rohl.

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Message 32 of 36 (363116)
11-10-2006 6:21 PM
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11-09-2006 10:24 PM


I mentioned the varves or micro-layers of Mt St Helens to demonstrate that they can form rapidly.

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