The predictions of Walt Brown

Coragyps, If a parachuter's speed averages only 120 miles per hour, what makes you believe Hail coming down will achieve that much of a greater speed. I heard that super cold downdrafts, but never heard that they were going 18,000 miles per hour.

roxrkool, I guess I was sort of wrong, the record is 330 mph, though it did say freefall speeds are approximately 120 mph.Skydiving FAQ | Long Island Skydiving CenterHow fast will we be falling?
Typical freefall speeds are approximately 120 MPH although this can increase or decrease slightly with body size and position. The freefall speed record is over 330 mph. An experienced skydiver using specialized equipment achieved this speed record.

Ned, I wasn't aware that Walt thought there could exist an excessive ice layer in the upper atmosphere. If you ever get a chance to read the bible please read the first chapter of genesis. It says there was a water layer above, and a water layer below the firmament that the creatures that fly flew within. It sounds more like a cloud layer, like is not that what creationist believe will be expressed more after the Great Earthquake shakes down the mountains, a greater cloud covering pressing upward. I suppose with all this water pressing upward there might of been a bit of ice expressed on the top of the clouds.How did your ice canopy achieve escape velocity. If there ever was a ice canopy in orbit around the earth is it not more likely that it came from sources other than the earth. The closest neighbor is the moon, which I agree is devoid of water. I suppose an ice canopy could of slipped into orbit from this senerio. I always took the bible to mean that he opened the windows of heaven was that the atmosphere rolled back as the super heated waters raced upward, to spread the waters across the face of the earth. The erupting waters did not need to go 20,000 miles upward to spread this waters across the face of the earth, but suppose it's heat might of pressed outward destroying a possible pre-flood ice canopy as the heat radiated into outer space, and the waters came back to the earth as rain, snow and ice.P.S. I do find it interesting that science and the bible appear to be in agreement. Walt, Kent and even Ron Wyatts are all quite special, each having their own unique ministries. The bible and the sciences are actually in agreement. So since I feel this is so, I'm surprised you would stereotype me with them. Thank's for the compliment though but suspect you give this compliment to all creationists.

Ned, Heat would of been radiated from the earth to outer space, so no reason the earth would be fried by Walts senereo. Getting a bit away from Walt, the bible said it rained 40 days and nights.It could not of rained if the steam had not condensated in the upper atmosphere coming back as rain/snow, or ice. I see it more of an extensive cloud covering above, and the waters below existing before the biblical flood.Then the flood happened, where extensive (super heated waters radiated upward from the fountains of the deep) heat radiated upwards cooling suddenly causing massive ice storms to develop. This is how the creatures were believed quick frozen by Walt( by these super cold downdrafts)as the heat radiated to outer space upward (the water would of needed more escape velocity (speed) to go upward (where as the heat simply radiated upward), and how the glaciers formed suddenly over those 40 days of the flood.

Charles Knight, You surely are not talking about the Great Ron Wyatt. I kind of hear you, lots of Great men never got the credit for their efforts. Columbus belief the earth was round, because of his faith.Walt Brown is a great degree'd scientists and yet you honor Darwin and demote Brown. Hovind has a greater scientific degree (Masters) than Darwin had. I agree most people are delusional to mention Darwin in respect to the sciences. Walt is bringing accountability to the Sciences, not because he's delusional but because he is a master scientist that happens to be a Christian.Walt Brown was an evolutionists but came to the Lord based on the geography topography of the earth, that the Flood happened. (God works in mysterious ways. Did Darwin even have a scientific degree, yet you all consider him one of your greatest scientists. Wonders never cease.

JonF, I thought the atmosphere traps the heat from radiating to outer space. The bible says that the erupting fountains waters opened, as did the windows of heaven (if the atmosphere rolled back (windows of heaven) above where the waters were erupted out from the earth) you would have nothing to prevent this heat from escaping the earth.The waters would be prevented from leaving because of the gravitation of the earth (not enough escape velocity) thus separating the heat as the steamed waters condensed.

Joe Meert, I don't understand magnetic reversals, not sure they even exist. I thought however that you might find this particular biblical verse interesting. It says basically (little interpretation of the verse) that the Lord was there, when his Father set a compass upon the face of the depth. kjv Pro 8:27In respect to magnetic reversals not sure if they really exists, but if they do it says the Lord was there when God set his Compass on the face of the depth. The only reason I can come up with for his setting his compass on the face of the depth was so his creatures could navigate by their internal compass.I've heard the sea turtles, Coho salmon are able to find home based off magnetics, there must be more to magnetics than just true north/south. Like crossing hairs so they can find east west, and not just north south. If magnetics were only north and south and not east and west the sea turtles would never beable to find the islands to lay their eggs.kjv Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:kjv Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

Asgara, I appears Kent recieved his masters in Education so one can only respect him pursuing his Ph-D degree in Education. His Museum is a part of his passion, to bring truth to the children. He really is quite interesting, and he actually did teach high school math and science for 15 years. I see him, sort of like John the Baptists a watchman with a message. You don't need to be degree'd to be called, many are called however few are chosen. I agree that Walt is more heavily degree'd which is what the topic of this thread is more about.Ron Wyatt too, was not heavily degree'd but chosen by God for a particular ministry, it might be that the mantle was passed onto Kent. I too believe that Walt Brown was chosen for his particular ministry, which is bit different than either Ron or Kents. Its no different than George W. Bush ministry as the President of the United States was called and chosen, I believe by God and not by man. We should just give God the glory!Chick.com: About bachelor of religious education degree at Midwestern Baptist College of Pontiac, Michigan in 1974.For fifteen years, he taught high school math and science, during which time he completed his master's degree in education.shortly after finishing his Ph.D. in education, he began the full-time ministry of Creation Science EvangelismWhat is Charles Darwins education record: What scientific degree's or any equivelant college degree's did Darwin recieve if any that makes him more qualified than Kent Hovind?

Ned, Ok since you understand magnetics please explain how turtles using magnetics can triangulate a small island in the ocean by magnetics. If magnetics is simply north and south how are they finding east and west.

Jar, How do you account for the creatures being able to navigate, if not by an internal compass.

Coragyps, hmmm....Did Walt actually say that. Well he's the man, maybe the initial blast or rocks spun out of orbit at the poles. I suppose we need to analyse some of the meteorites to see if they have any organics to support what you seem to be saying is Walts belief that this answers how the asteroid field formed. Then that would mean Walt believes some of the water likely blasted out of orbit too?That means more miles above the earth for heat to be dissapated, instead of 20 miles, we might be talking hundreds or thousands of miles above the earth.

Ned, I was really hoping you would of supported you assertion you understood magnetics. I respect you admit you don't understand magnetic reversals.It likely is just a magnetic intensity and not a magnetic reversal. Its just quite interesting though that animals are navigating by magnetics and quite accurately (an example of ID).Which was my point in respect to magnetic intensities, because we keep hearing in the natural that the magnetic field is decreasing.I suspect Walt is right about magnetic intensities too.

Charles Knight, I hear you, and starting to appreciate some of your post, short that they be. The question about magnetics was not something I saw at AIG but something I for whatever reason was curious about. Its a good question how say seaturtles navigate by magnetics. I'm not sure its related to what Walt believes to be magnetic intensities, to remain an on topic question.But I hear you, I see Kent, Ron, & Walt as men of integrity bucking against the grain of acceptable thought. I can respect that you don't see their bucking against acceptable theory acceptable. I doubt they have all the right answers, nor does anyone including myself have all the answers.Life would be boring if we all knew everything, thats part of life the journey. But I really don't care to get into all of Walts theories, so taking your advice and bugging out of this thread. I'm not really forcing myself to stop discussing about Walts theories. I think I should order his book and see just what it is that he is saying. I do like what so far has been said, sounds like he has reasons for what he believes.

Joe Meert, I find it interesting that you say it varies with longitude, now what would cause that to be the case. North and South appears the magnetic field entering the earth at increasing intensities the closer to true north or south, but having a hard time understanding what that has to do with east west.If it either magnetic reversals or magnetic intensities. It appears to me this controversy has something to do with what your saying. That the east west magnetic declination varies with longitude. That's why I gave you the bible verse that God laid down his compass in the depths, and my belief that its so his creatures could navigate not just north and south, but east and west.

Joe Meert, If the magnetic field enters the earth at different latitudes in respect to the angle of true north/south. Then your magnetic expressions should of captured the east west and north south declinations angles.If the poles actually switched you'd think there would be massive east west differences in respect to north or south. Does the east west declination angle change much if any between reversals?It appears the magnetic north is constantly changing, so then should your east west declination angles captured in rock. If they are not changing then magnetic reversals are nothing but a normal phenomenom (not time related). I'm just not sold they are all time related, some perhaps. Just undecided at this point if they are not just magnetic intensities.The bible in respect to the verse that says compass, another meaning of compass means circuit. Meaning it might be necessary for reversals so to complete the circuit and that it has nothing to do with magnetic north and south flip flopping.I agree though that when the rocks cooled the polarity was captured, but still undecided if it has anything to do with the north/south pole actually switching. Its probably just a normal phenomenom needed so to complete the circuit.If you have a site that explains how you know its a reversal thats not too complicated it would be appreciated. That explains how much the east west angle changed between reversals, and how these polarities prove its not just a magnetic intensity.