So what's your problem? Is it that you do not know how to respond? Is it because you don't understand what they're saying? Is it that you don't understand what you're trying to sell to them?
Are you that "Love" individual? Stylistic similarities in the writing lead me to assume that you are. Does that list indicate that you are a biblical literalist young-earth creationist type? Even if you are not "Love",
are you a biblical literalist young-earth creationist type?
Well, you could try to contribute here. Collectively, the evolution-accepting members here have been trying for several decades to find a creationist, any creationist, who could present that "creation model" of which the "creation science" movement has been crowing about since about 1970, when they created "creation science" as a legalistic deception to circumvent Epperson vs Arkansas (1968), which struck down the 1920's "monkey laws". In particular, we have threads here begging creationists to present an actual model
for creation. And not creationist has ever been able to do that one simple thing -- simple if there were any truth or truthfulness in their claims.
So, are you that one creationist who can present an actual model
for creation? If not, then you need to learn a lot more.
In the meantime, try to actually talk with the others in that forum. Try to understand what they are telling you and respond in a manner that will allow them to understand you. Just spouting Bible quotes won't get you far. And repeating creationist claims won't get you anywhere either, except shot down immediately if someone there is familiar with that claim and why it's false.
For example, I witnessed this event personally, which I relate on my links page at
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Here is a true story to illustrate that point. About twelve years ago at The City mall (now completely rebuilt as The Block) in Orange, California, creationist Scott Alexander was hosting a series of amateur-night creation/evolution debates in which the members of the audience were invited to get up and make presentations. One young creationist (I would judge him to have been about 18 to 21 years old) got up and announced that he had some new hard science that would blow the evolutionists away: the speed of light has been slowing down! The pro-evolution half of the audience immediately burst into uncontrollable laughter. That claim of Setterfield's had already been known to them for a decade, it had been refuted many times, and they started to explain to the poor hapless creationist exactly why that claim was false. He didn't know what had hit him.
The same advice is given by Answers in Genesis, in this article reposted off-site: "What About Carl Baugh?" at
No webpage found at provided URL: http://paleo.cc/paluxy/whatbau.htm. I verified independently (by contacting AiG directly) that it is what Glen Kuban represents it to be.
So, you need to know your "enemy" and you need to know yourself. As written in a different "scripture" than you're familiar with:
Sun Tzu, Scroll III (Offensive Strategy):
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31. Therefore I say: "Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril.
32. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal.
33. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril."
(Sun Tzu The Art of War, translation by Samuel B. Griffith, Oxford University Press, 1963)
Or as the Governor of Mississippi circa 1990 put it on a radio newscast as he was explaining why he was campaigning so hard for education reform in his state:
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We've already tried ignorance, so we know that it doesn't work!
{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984)
And we who listen to the stars, or walk the dusty grade,
Or break the very atoms down to see how they are made,
Or study cells, or living things, seek truth with open hand.
The profoundest act of worship is to try to understand.
Deep in flower and in flesh, in star and soil and seed,
The truth has left its living word for anyone to read.
So turn and look where best you think the story is unfurled.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world. (filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber,
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