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Topic: Morality -- in spite of the bible?
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 2 of 19 (421417)
09-12-2007 4:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
09-12-2007 4:33 PM
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No sarcasm here. I'm willing to bet $10.00 that if riverrat jumps in here he will be able to rationalize everything the guy mentioned. Added by edit. I strongly advice everyone to see parts 1,2, 4, etc. The part linked to in first post is part 3. Edited by Tazmanius Devilus, : No reason given. Edited by Tazmanius Devilus, : No reason given.
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 4 of 19 (421421)
09-12-2007 5:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by RAZD
09-12-2007 5:14 PM
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RAZD, I have a personal question. I know that you have been going through treatments for cancer. There is always the chance that your life might end prematurely. Does this make you feel the need to cry out for god's help at all? ------------------------------------------------------------ Added by Edit to save cyberspace.
RAZD writes: Nope. What comes comes, it will be interesting.
You certainly have a lot of courage and conviction toward human reason. I'd probably cry like a little girl in your situation. Edited by Tazmanius Devilus, : No reason given.
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Message 9 of 19 (421902)
09-14-2007 11:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by RAZD
09-13-2007 5:51 PM
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Re: absolute morality is dead.
Just for the record, I don't think it is. I for one believe in absolute morality. And to set another record straight, I firmly believe that religionists are moral relativists rather than absolutists like they claim.
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Re: not entirely correct
arachno writes: second is that the god of old testament does not enjoy human sacrifice, and specifically commands against it. the "long gloomy walk" with abraham and isaac is actually among them -- god stops abraham from killing his son.
One of my past philosophy professors told me his take on this particular story. He said that this story alone made him doubt god not because of human sacrifice but because of the emotional suffering god supposedly put Abraham through in the period between the command to sacrifice his son and the angel stopping him from cutting his son's throat. Being a parent, my prof said, it is inconcievable for him to even think about harming his children. My professor also said that either there was a miscommunication somewhere along the line (assuming we are still talking about an all loving god) or god really was an unempathetic bastard who was high on power. Edited by Tazmanius Devilus, : No reason given.
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Re: not entirely correct
arach writes: one traditional reading is that abraham, who is known for arguing with god, was supposed to argue here.
This is the first I've heard of this, and let me just say that this interpretation goes against everything both judaism and christianity have taught for thousands of years. The test was to see if abraham would argue with god?
this has a lot to do with the fact that sarah became pregnant with isaac shortly after abimelech slept with her. abraham probably didn't think isaac was is child.
So... this interpretation would make Abraham out to be a heartless bastard. He's heartless enough to blood sacrifice someone else's child.
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: 07-18-2006
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Re: not entirely correct
arach writes: it's a little bit of a strange way to look at the bible when all you've been taught is blind obedience.
Well, that's why in the end I decided to put my conscience above my faith.
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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