Huckabee

you have strange ideas about what the founding fathers thought, that don't seem based on anything they wrote. uh, obama's a rather outspoken christian. there's a whole thread on that here, i'm not sure how you missed it. again you seem to be creating positions for other people that have no basis in the things they actually said.and what, exactly, is the problem with being muslim or pro-black?

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gosh, i hope so. remember, jesus said it was adultery, and the punishment for adultery is death. oh, and it should be retroactive, too -- put rudy on death row. that'd be fun.we'll see how long the country stands for that.

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well, there is an argument out there that the aramaic raca (look that one up) is roughly equivalent to "homo." dunno how true that is.but yeah. how about the real issues jesus talked about for a change.Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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oh, no, you just have to think a little harder. try putting the cart before the horse, thinking backwards a little. if we ban divorce, family values will go up. afterall, they must be, because no one will be getting divorced. see? that was easy.

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nem, it's not that rules of decency don't apply to anyone else. it's that buzsaw is making up conspiracies again, and torching his straw men.obama is not a muslim, regardless of any of the standard drivel that buz has to say about islam.

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more rambling about islam. anti-jewish, you mean? i would wager that more than half of all the muslims in the world are semitic themselves. i think we've had quite enough of buzsaw's patented brand of anti-islam strawmen, and this post already borders on downright racism. if you wish to discuss obama, go to the obama thread. but i think you'll find most of the objections from people here are that he's too christian.

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yes and no. it's not that the candidate is religious themselves. it's that they're willing to play to tune that the crazies in this country want to hear, for approval. that's the dangerous part.and ron paul is not a good example.

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except on the abortion issue.

roe v. wade is not a law. it's a court case, the ruling of which says that the ability of the government to legislate medical procedures that occur within the confines of a person's body is extremely limitted.ie: it's a ruling that says that certain laws regarding abortion cannot be made.

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roe v. wade does not act as a law in the same way the 4th amendment does not act as a law. roe v wade, in particular, affirms that the 4 amendment protects certain medical rights of privacy. have you actually read roe v. wade?

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buz, all you do is smear and cry conspiracy. get a new argument. try one based on reality next time. suppose i use the position that "mitt romney eats puppies, and drinks the blood of christian babies." how exactly would you counter that? would you be able to actually document that he does no such thing? would you even consider debating that kind of argument, or take it seriously? yes, buz, because that's sure what your posts aren't. oh, right, i keep forgetting that for you a profession of faith is not enough. because afterall, the gates of heaven are gaurded by buzsaw himself.yes, obama's father was a muslim, and he went to a muslim school when he was younger. neither of those argument are the same thing as "obama is a muslim." and even if he was... so the fuck what. this is just another one of your standard biases talking points, about the evils of islam. nobody here reads that as anything but ignorance and bigotry. yes, buz, it's a conspiracy. i'm sure. my job as a debate counterpart is to point out that your claims are nothing but bigotted racist slander, paranoid delusions, and a lot of what-ifs that aren't actually based on anything documented or said by any of the parties involved. now, if you wish to bring a real argument that's above the level of claims about eating puppies and such, let me know.

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yes, but where do the space aliens fit in? is obama siding with them? is he secretly an alien in disguise? is he really the father of batboy? why is bigfoot hiding in his guest house? and where does he get the blood of so many virgins required for his nightly bath?

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i agree. i might agree but only because of the section i have taken the liberty of boldifying. but as you say, it's on the actual issues. like it or not, ron paul's stances on the issues are more imbued with christian influence and pandering than obama's. and yes, abortion is one of those issues.

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i'll take "all talk and no game" over "all game and no talk" on stuff like the religion-in-office issues. personally, i would have donated their money to an advocacy group for one of the races the racists were against. not for the PR, but because i'm a sucker for irony.

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nem, i don't think "religious crazies" was not intended to be redundant. the politicians on the right have been pandering to more or less the lowest common denominator among religious people -- the crazies. not that all religious people are crazy, but that some crazy people are religious.edit: and for the record, i disagree with paul but not entirely on that issue. marriage is indeed a religious affair, but it can (and is) also granted by the state. the state should be allowed to marry anyone, though no one is forcing anything on the churches.Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.

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