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Buzsaw
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Message 30 of 286 (461758)
03-27-2008 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Modulous
03-27-2008 4:07 PM


Re: Ownership of other humans is vile
Modulous writes:
Many times in our lives we hand ourselves over to the care of another. We consent to the government building an army so that it can do the hard work of protecting us and our interests. We had ourselves to doctors, giving trust in them that they will treat us to the best of their ability - even so far as removing our heart from our chests in some circumstances...that's a lot of trust. The doctor is given a role of responsibility, not just personal responsibility but a stewardship over the individual in their care. If they neglect their responsibility by withholding vital medication, or by not following standard procedure to determine easily determinable allergies - then they know that society will hold them accountable for their inaction or negligence.
1. It is unknown how many are healed by prayer. All we hear about are the failures due to foolishness or failure to resort to other means if prayer fails.
2. Unfortunately, the lucrative drug industry and the medical profession finds it more profitable to look for cures than to find them.
Consider
the following perhaps one can put this controversy in it's proper perspective relative to modern medical methodology in the US (that is, especially the US):
Shocking statistical evidence is cited by Gary Null PhD, Caroly Dean MD ND, Martin Feldman MD, Debora Rasio MD and Dorothy Smith PhD in their recent paper Death by Medicine - October 2003, released by the Nutrition Institute of America.
"A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million. Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics. The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million. The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251.
Health Care expenditures in the US have reached 14% of the Gross National Product and a staggering $1.6 trillion in 2003. No wonder, one might be tempted to say. With such an appalling record of efficacy and such an unbelievable death rate for the treatments routinely administered, the current medical system can only be said to be in great need of deep reform.
Certainly it would appear more urgent to investigate the rationale, efficacy and relative cost-effectiveness of pharmaceutical medicine than to legislate restrictive rules for supplements of vital nutrients, as most governments and some international organisations are doing in these times.
The Nutrition Institute of America
October 28, 2003
Deadly Medical Mistakes Exposed
New York, New York - New information has been presented showing the degree to which Americans have been subjected to injury and death by medical errors. The results of seven years of research reviewing thousands of studies conducted by the NIA now show that medical errors are the number one cause of death and injury in the United States.
According to the NIA's report, over 784,000 people die annually due to medical mistakes. Comparatively, the 2001 annual death rate for heart disease was 699,697 and the annual death rate for cancer was 553,251.
Over 2.2 million people are injured every year by prescription drugs alone and over 20 million unnecessary prescriptions for antibiotics are prescribed annually for viral infections. The report also shows that 7.5 million unnecessary medical and surgical procedures are performed every year and 8.9 million people are needlessly hospitalized annually. Based on the results of NIA's report, it is evident that there is a pressing need for an overhaul of the entire American medical system.
The findings, described as a "revelation" by Martin Feldman, MD, who helped to uncover the evidence, are the product of the first comprehensive studies on iatrogenic incidents. Never before has any study uncovered such a massive amount of information with regard to iatrogenesis. Historically, only small individual partial studies have been performed in this area.
Carolyn Dean, MD, a physician and author who also helped to uncover the findings said, "I was completely shocked, amazed, and dismayed when I first added up all the statistics on medical death and saw how much allopathic medicine has betrayed us."
The Nutrition Institute of America is a not-for-profit, non-partisan organization that has been enlightening the public on health issues for nearly 30 years.

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Buzsaw
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Message 44 of 286 (461785)
03-27-2008 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Modulous
03-27-2008 6:24 PM


Modulous writes:
Correct - prayer is a complete joker in the pack, the wild card. Its efficacy is beyond the edge of detectable. As such, and as I said, one is perfectly free to pray for the healing of the child that is in your care, but you should not be free to neglect other for more demonstrably effective methods of healing.
Did you read the stats in my message? It is debatable that US modern methodology is demonstrably more effective than alternative options. Any laws prohibiting one's choice of methods including prayer would, of course, be the US conventional drug based methodology. All other alternatives would be inclusive with prayer as and alternative prohibited methodology.
The failings of capitalist healthcare is irrelevant to this topic.
But you brought up the capitalist i.e. conventional methodology argument alleging that it is the methodology which the practitioner is held accountable. I'm saying that's not true and my cited stats show that to be the case.
In a number of these failed conventional atrocities resulting in injury and death if the patient had resorted to prayer, having not taken the drug, they may still be alive and well regardless of whether the prayer worked or not, the prayer opton working like a placebo.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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