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DBlevins
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Message 8 of 68 (126980)
07-23-2004 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
07-22-2004 11:10 PM


Morality
As an Athiest, I thought I would present a short anecdote as a response to the question.
Long story shortened...
I had been discharged from the Navy for about 2 or 3 months and during that time I would bar hop over the weekend. Was great having the freedom to go wherever I wanted to. Well, one night I am playing pool and I look down and I see a bill laying on the floor. I pick it up and low and behold it's a $100 bill. It didn't occur to me to pocket the money, I just thought to myself that someone is probably pretty upset about losing this (If they weren't so drunk they thought they spent it). I promptly took it to the bar and told one of the bartenders that I had found this $100 bill on the floor.
If I had lost $100 in some bar I would think it is probably lost but I would definitly hope I could ask the bartender if it was found and for him to say "Sure, let me see. Yep, here it is."
The golden rule is how I try to run my life, in other words. All we can do is the best we can do, and be good to each other.
By the way, told this story to my girlfriends mother, who happens to be a deeply religious Catholic, and though she praised me for being a good guy, she said she would have kept it.

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DBlevins
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Message 9 of 68 (126983)
07-23-2004 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by mark24
07-23-2004 8:21 AM


Naturalistic Morality
I would have to agree with you and PaulK as well, but with a little caveat. I am not sure that morality is logical per se, but bound within a social context. Much of morality is learned from parents and peers. Idea's of moral behavior can differ across societies.

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DBlevins
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Message 59 of 68 (131683)
08-08-2004 5:49 PM
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07-23-2004 1:26 PM


Re: Naturalistic Morality
Yet, I don't think you can derive morality from logic. What may seem logical to you may seem strange to someone of a different culture. If we derive morality from anything it would be from within a social context. My ancestor told my ancestor who told his ancestor who told my great, great, great grandmother that doing such in such was wrong. Or his ancestor, who was told by Mark's ancestor, had a preacher (who learned a set of morals written by a bunch of people's ancestors) who told him what the morals of that society were.
I see a long connection with society determining what being moral is, and this changing over time. At one time a woman who wore pants might have been considered "immoral" in some societies. Or in some societies women who don't wear a covering over their head are considered "immoral".
You may "think" you derive your morality by logic, but logic can be used to satisfy many forms of morality. You most likely derived your morality from your parents ansd peers, and possibly from reading a book written by someone who in turn derived their morality from his/her parents, peers or reading a book. Perhaps a somewhat simplistic but...
The "How" is buried in the long tradition of human culture.

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