The Design Revolution by William Dembski

Percy,Actually I have no trouble with non-christian advocates so much as I have trouble with the christian (of whatever sub-category) ones, as this is basically saying that god is a race of green aliens, a basic problem that should be irreconcilable. One could argue that ID is closer to hinduism than christianity.I think the problem is that most christians don't (or aren't able to) follow the basic precepts to their logical conclusions.This is aside from the problem that evolution can be incorporated into ID with no contradiction to it's basic precepts.ID may have an unintended benefit in drawing people to science and education and allowing them to continue with ID after learning that some creationist precepts are wrong ...

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Rouseau in "The Social Contract" is a good source for derived morality
The Social Contract onlineand there is also some information at
Atheist Morality
Ethics of Humanism Without Religion
Universalizability and the Golden RuleThis is getting off-topic so I just want to post the links to let those who want to pursue it to do so. This could be a new topic (if it has not already been tried before ...)I believe that morality is a set of socially derived and agreed on customs. These would include religious overtones in religious societies, of course.

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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I think it was from a NASA abiogenesis press release paper, I believe about a year ago. Problem with finding the retraction is that the press release is modified and you had to have saved the original.If memory serves (this was mentioned by rocket on another board)

see Jar's post #53 ...

not sure: it seems similar, have sent e-mail to rocket to confirm.

confirmed - that's it.
http://web99.arc.nasa.gov/~astrochm/vesicle.html
"Scientists find clues that the path leading to the origin of life begins in deep space"

but pants fails the universality test (and hence it is no longer immoral in enlightened societies not hide bound by old social traditions)see post #51 for more.
EvC Forum: The Design Revolution by William Dembski

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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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keep us posted ... I just hope the rigor won't be mortis