christian nationalism

So Faith, are you now saying you don't hate Islam?
I think it wouldn't take much effort to dig up some quotes of yours that might cast doubt on this assertion.

But then it becomes more subjective. Faith considers some things to be lies that are true. Evolutionary theory, for example.
I would go so far as to say that Faith probably considers any evidence, theory or idea that contradicts anything in the bible to be a lie. So how are we to believe that she might not, in fact, be consumed with hatred ? What would limit it?ABE: I would not say that I 'hate' lies, but rather that they are just something inevitable in the world that we will always have to ferret out.
However, those willfully promoting lies *while fully aware of the truth* are deserving of some greater level of despise. Edited by EZscience, : No reason given.Edited by EZscience, : No reason given.Edited by AdminNosy, : insert a topic warning

No, I agree with you.
And I don't want to seem like I am singling out Faith or implying any fundamental hatred on her part.It just that saying you only 'hate lies' doesn't really say much and is very dependent on what you happen to consider to be 'lies'.
I would go further and say that hatred implies a strong emotional response that is only rightly directed toward *someone* and not *something*. You can't hate an idea or a statement because it happens to be false, or even someone who unknowingly parrots them, but you can hate someone who promotes such ideas knowing they are false.Edited by EZscience, : No reason given.Edited by AdminNosy, : Inserting a topic warning.

Clearly, if 'Christian Nationalism' were allowed to succeed as a movement with its current leadership, we would end up a more discriminatory society with non-Christians being disenfranchized in efforts to bend them to the will of Christian morality. Homosexuals are just the tip of an iceburg that most of us NEVER want to see break the surface. You might defend the basis of this discrimination on certain principles that you view as Christian, but even other Christians apparently disagree with that (Jar for example).
I am wondering how you could rationalize that within the ideal of having a country based on freedom?

What we are talking about is EQUAL status, not special status.
You Christians want to deny same sex couples the same rights guaranteed to other couples.Like to the right to visit one another in the hospital if one is injured in a car accident.The right to inherit assets, etc. by virtue of being someone's significant other.According to jar, there are more than 1000 rights and benefits you would deny them.Why can't we find some middle ground like calling it a 'civil union' instead of marriage whereby these same rights can be conferred on same sex couples? The right to live together with someone of the same sex?
How is this anything more than... Sorry, but the things you Christian fundamentalists would like to do with this country can only be inferred to be hazardous to everyone's freedom in diverse respects. The citizenry don't all share your extremist convictions. As soon as you identify some 'freedom' you don't like because it conflicts with your religious teachings, you seek to claim that it is not actually a 'freedom' anyone is entitled to. Just as you have done in your post here. Your bunch is one of the biggest threats to freedom in this country - and a much more direct threat than any risk of terrorism.

That's my whole point Faith.
Your side wants the right to decide what the meaning of 'freedom' is.
That amounts to applying freedom selectively, as you see fit, and at the expense of what others consider their freedom.
That is twisting what freedom really is.
Freedom is the right be free of religious dogma.
Freedom of religion also means freedom FROM religion.And that's just one more 'freedom' we would likely lose with Christian Nationalism. Non-christians would face descimination and subtle forms of persecution.But you haven't addressed the other point.
You can't possibly claim that Christian nationalism would do anything to preserve or increase personal freedom in this country.
We already have plenty of examples of how they would diminish freedom. Would there be any increase in freedom we could possibly look forward to in such a movement?And while you're at it... Really? You mean your paranoid concept of us being over-run by muslims?Otherwise, please explain exactly what kind of 'freedom' would be restricted or curtailed by the left.Edited by EZscience, : cut and paste problems

I finally found a linkto this story I read last week.

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The current ordinance prohibits more than three people from living together unless they are related by "blood, marriage or adoption." The defeated measure would have changed the definition of a family to include unmarried couples with two or more children.

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Exactly the kind of discrimination we will face more of with Christian Nationalism. Or would you claim that this sort of discrimination does not arise from christian morality being inserted into the legal system?