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Author Topic:   Could mainstream christianity ever make peace with gay people?
blacksky
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Message 64 of 263 (455817)
02-13-2008 9:13 PM


Lost and Confused
Ok, I'm an 18 year old lesbian, but we'll just say gay for now.
I didn't realise, until five minutes ago, that there were gay people out there who believed that the way they felt was wrong, sinful.
For a group of people who are told to "love thy brother" your pretty good at hating everyone who isn't you.
I know what its like to be told that you are bad, and in some cases evil. I can clearly remember my mother telling me (and she's not overly religious) that HIV and AIDs were God's curse to rid the world of gays.
It gets better too, not only am I gay, but for want of a better word, I'm also a pagan. Guess what my mum has to say about them? "Witches are evil and deserve to burn"
I thought it was only old fashioned, unaware people, like my mother (who I love very much) who believed in things like this, but you are telling me that there are people out there who are mentally torturing people becuase of something which they cannot change?
Though to be honest I don't know what I really expected from a group of "people" who can change their scripture just to give them an excuse to kill what could be nearly two million people. that would be the line that goes something like thout must not suffer a witch to live.
But hey, what do I know right? I mean according to some branches of christianity you'd get double points for killing me.
My best friend (or at least I thought she was) told me that recently. It was one of the reasons we don't talk anymore, that and the fact that I "would be stealing her childrens innocence" when she had to explain why my children would have two mums but no dad. (these are of course hypothetical children).
Can someone explain to me how she can go from loving me and everything being ok about my sexuality to her hating it simply because her boyfriend is christian and has reminded her of the christian values?
I'm not being sarcastic, I really dont understand any of this.

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blacksky
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Message 78 of 263 (456242)
02-16-2008 2:29 PM


You see, I've tried to keep a level head while reading all this, and I can't. Not anymore.
I have been suddenly reminded of the theory of Original Sin. I believe, but I'm not sure, that this is a Catholic thing right? You know where children are born full of sin because of Eve's temptation? Well I'm very sorry but I will not execpt that I am a sinner. I mean how can people be born sinners, especialy homosexuals, when apparently God made us all, so unless he wants a large amount of people to be celebate their whole lives why on earth did he make gays? It doesn't make sence does it?
This is utterly insane, I'm sorry but there is (in my mind) no difference between the whole gays are sinful, and blacks are second class. I have no qualms with the Christian people. But I will not be told that I'm going to hell because I made love with my girlfriend, because thats just daft.
xx

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blacksky
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Message 120 of 263 (457979)
02-26-2008 4:28 PM


Ok, I dont know how marrages and civil partnerships work in america, but I do know that it was only a few years ago that gays in England could even get civil partnership.
My plan, if I were ever to want to marry another girl, would be to have a pagan handfasting, because (a) that is my religion, and (b) most pagans dont mind gays, or gay marrages, in fact they seem to be the friendlist group of people towards gays that I have ever met.
The reason I would want to do this is so that it is offical that my partner and I joined, as it were. I would not be doing it as some way of finding social acceptance or because marrage is what is "done".
All that I want is to be able to hold hands with my girlfriend when I walk down a street, Something I have never been able to do because of the fear of what people (mainly christians, because I live in a christian country) would do/say. I dont care if they want to hate me, but could they please pick on something other than the fact that I dont love some bloke!
As a final not I am still hung up on the fact that it is acceptable for gays out there to "know that they are sinners" because of their sexuality, and this whole "pray the gay out" thing, please tell me its not what it sounds like.

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blacksky
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Message 125 of 263 (458212)
02-27-2008 5:35 PM
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02-27-2008 6:01 AM


what I suppose would happen would start with dirty looks, and finish with names, threats of violence, and general "stone throwing". I know this because I've been through it all before, including actual stones.
Of course my objection "finds it's root in the difficulty you have accepting that something you sense as natural, could be wrong/sinful." Can I point out that as wrong and sinful as it is for me to be gay, it is more so for you to judge me on it.
I cannot accept that my sexuality is all because of the "fall of man".
"all nature has been skewed and twisted." Because of the fall of man? That makes no sence at all, none.

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blacksky
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Message 129 of 263 (458485)
02-29-2008 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by iano
02-27-2008 7:01 PM


actually, I wanted to appologise. iano is welcome to their own oppinion. And I completely understand that from where you are you aren't judging, where as I am judging you because I have had bad experiences in the past. Just because I do not, nor will ever, agree with you, that doesn't mean that I have the right to tell you that your wrong.
After all, you have been perfectly nice to me, in fact I want to "make peace" so long as you dont mind that I wont repent. OK?

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