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Author Topic:   Just what IS terrorism?
crashfrog
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Message 35 of 112 (159826)
11-15-2004 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by MangyTiger
11-14-2004 8:37 PM


I feel the key differences were political and psychological.
So, we used the destruction of civilian lives and the psychological aspect of fear to affect Japanese policy? And you consider that different than terrorism?

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crashfrog
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Message 38 of 112 (160015)
11-16-2004 2:53 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by MangyTiger
11-15-2004 10:29 PM


At that point I was trying to talk about the differences between atomic and conventional bombing rather than 'was it terrorism ?'.
Ok, well, you did say this, though:
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Changing the reality of warfare was the only way to make the Japanese military surrender and by doing that the lives of untold numbers of Americans and Japanese were saved. For this reason I have never believed the dropping of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki should be regarded as a war crime (as many argue) or, as we are talking about here, an act of terrorism.
Which is what I meant. By your own admission, we slaughtered Japanese civilians in a way so horrible that the use of these weapons again, in any situation, is a worldwide nightmare to this day. (I mean, now we even measure atomic detonations, colloquially, in "Hiroshimas.") And we did that to get them to change their minds about something.
I mean, that's the exact definition of terrorism - the use of shocking brutality to change the policy of another country. The fact that we had soldiers do it makes it a war crime. Ends don't justify means.

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crashfrog
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Message 49 of 112 (160265)
11-16-2004 9:24 PM
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11-16-2004 5:07 PM


I am interested as to what course of action you would have followed rather than using the atomic bomb ?
Invading the home islands. You may or may not be right that more civilians would have died, I don't know. But certainly we wouldn't have terrorized the entire world for generations.

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