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Author Topic:   note: this discussion has turned for the better;read pgs/Where do the laws come from?
Nutcase
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Message 2 of 120 (357374)
10-18-2006 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Trump won
10-18-2006 10:54 PM


Laws are mere human inventions.
However, if you are asking how did those laws come about to govern the universe, well, at speific periods of time after the Big Bang, as the universe cooled down, different forces started to appear. (I am definatly not an expert on BB, a lot of people on this forum can explain better).
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Nutcase
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Message 46 of 120 (357610)
10-20-2006 12:04 AM
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10-19-2006 9:39 PM


Re: This is important
I'll try a different approach..
why things are the way they are.
Things are the way they are because otherwise you would not be here on this forum discussing this issues. The universe only appears to be "fine-tuned" for our existance because we are the product of the universe ourselves. If the universe was different, but was able to produce some other forms of life different from ours, those creatures would be wondering the same thing "wow this universe is so fine-tuned for life!".
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Nutcase
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Message 47 of 120 (357612)
10-20-2006 12:12 AM
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10-19-2006 8:27 PM


Re: suggested reading here: post 14, 23, and 32
My next step is to form a teleogical proof for God. But this is not to not continue to underline the concept expressed here.
If you'd manage to pull it off, Aquinas will turn in his grave sideways.

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Nutcase
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Message 101 of 120 (357877)
10-20-2006 11:01 PM
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10-20-2006 3:10 PM


Re: This is important
I was referring to the conclusion I came to after discussing and musing over the points of Aquinas.
Just a heads up, Aquinas's Five Proves For Gods existance (which were written in 1200s) do not make sence in 21 century / can be refuted by science easily.
^Just incase you didn't manage to catch up with the past 500 years of scientific research.
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Nutcase
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Message 107 of 120 (358237)
10-23-2006 1:08 AM
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10-22-2006 12:17 PM


Re: This is important
Why would I mention the proofs if I am not familiar with them? Of course I read them.
The only reason Aquinas called them "proofs" was because they were unrefutble during his time. Since Middle Ages, science advanced far enough to disprove / put in question the premises Aquinas used. You have to be pretty uninformed or ignorant if you think that his 800-year-old arguments, which are based on empirical knowledge, are still valid.
Just out of curiosity. If you support his philosophy, do you believe in king's divine right?
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