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Message 39 of 120 (357578)
10-19-2006 8:20 PM
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10-18-2006 10:54 PM


Re: suggested reading here: post 14, 23, and 32
-messanjah of one
Read these questions carefully before replying, they require much thought and (to add the controversy) have no answer from a Godless mindset.
There is no mindset wherein an answer is forthcoming though. If you take the position that God made them you still have yet to explain your question
How does a law come about?
God making them explains nothing since you need to demonstrate that God did indeed do so and therein prove that God exists to do so. Also the means by which God makes the laws the way they are are a seperate issue from whether God did in the first place.

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Message 49 of 120 (357620)
10-20-2006 12:54 AM
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10-19-2006 7:00 PM


Re: This is important
-messanjah of one
Generally, objects with more weight have a greater mass. Why is this the way it is?
Actually weight and mass are two seperate measurements. Weight is a measure of the gravitational force upon a body by another body at its surface that changes when the body is moved within that to another gravitational position {thus you weigh more on Earth than you do on the moon}.
Mass, however, is the measurement made of the property of matter called inertia {the tendency of a body to maintain its state of being at rest or moving uniformly straight ahead} which increases as a body increases its velocity as a result of the realtionship between energy and mass. The mass of a body at rest is symetrical with respect to location. {The mass of a body is the same on Earth as it is on the moon}
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Message 50 of 120 (357621)
10-20-2006 1:20 AM
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Re: This is important
-messenjah of one
For example: Why is an atom shaped as it is shaped?
And which shape would that be mess? The atom forms the way it does as a consequence of the balancing of the two strongest forces of nature.{Strong nuclear and electromagentic}. Since forces in interaction can be reasonably assumed to take on some shape what in particular is odd about the shape you have in mind?

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Message 51 of 120 (357622)
10-20-2006 1:31 AM
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10-19-2006 7:00 PM


Re: This is important
-messenjah of one
The very nature of every very thing in the universe, including the universe itself and it's nature must have a reason for being.
How is "the inherent nature" described without a creator?
It need not have a reason for being since there is nothing in the laws of nature that demand such a condition. Inherent nature refers, not to a conscious implanted characteristic but to a consequence of the structure of nature itself.
We also look through eyes that are seeing things through an anthromoporphic view and we tend to fill in human characteristics to those of nature even when there is no real connection. Thus we have the literary device of analolgy that simplifies difficult ideas.
The phrase "Nature abhors a vacuum " does not really mean that a vacuum makes some God disgusted but that the attempt at a vacuum is such that nature does her best {and succeds quite admirably} at not allowing a vacuum to occur.

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Message 108 of 120 (358915)
10-26-2006 12:22 AM
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10-20-2006 12:59 PM


Re: This is important
Are you asking did it have a begining?

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