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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
I think the feeling of "odd" comes from the initial post, referenced to a humanist, asking how they would worship. Rei took a little license with her answer as the question made no sense to her. How do you answer an opinion question on an issue you don't believe exists?
You then went on to say this:
Message1 - maybe you didn't read it properly it was not a claim or theory, it was a personal message to 'believer in Christ' what do I need to do -publish a book to convince you? - man alive. How was message 1 a personal message to "believer in Christ"?
'Those who worship God must worship him in spirit and in truth.'If you do this then you have worshipped God. So, Rei how would you worship God ? 'I am in the Father and the Father is in me' - Jesus Christ, this is for 'believer in Christ' - what matters is that we know Jesus is the son of God! (all that I quote is from memory, so forgive me if I err slightly)
It is a direct question to Rei, which she answered as best she could given the belief considerations. ------------------
AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe
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Same difference Guest |
Yes , there was only one question to Rei, which we have already established as being viable because she could have worshipped in the past, even she eventually gave me a proper answer.
The second part of the message was an answer to 'believerin Christ' as I can only post on 'welcome visitors' - I then made another topic named 'for believer in Christ' which proves the 'Jesus' part was only to him concerning what 'we' know as christians ie. him and me. I never intended this to be a comedy section.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1019 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
Hmmm... is this thread in response to Rei's How Best to Serve God? in the Free for All forum.
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Same difference Guest |
If it's a mutual joke you and your friend Rei share, then ignore my message, I just wnated to try to stick to the topic that me Ned and Rei were discussing without any joking. I was trying to establish that worship isn't just a 'church thing' as there are many forms.
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Same difference Guest |
Kind of, but it's already taken on a flavour in it's own right.
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Rei Member (Idle past 7043 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
There is no Goddess but Admin Asgara, and Rei is her prophet.
------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Rei Member (Idle past 7043 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
quote:quote: Ah, that makes more sense, then. I was just having a little fun - occasionally people here post threads that go off on tangents for amusement (such as putting topics creationism and evolution into Haiku).
quote: I'm still unsure as how one could consider an act worship of something that they don't believe in. I'm also unsure as how you define things to be worship of God. Do you mean communing with nature? Then I worship all of the time, I love the wilderness. Do you mean any attempt to learn things? In that case, I think we're all worshipping God on this forum
quote: Yes, it is ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Biblical references, please. After all how do I know that these aren't just your answers? I want God's answers.
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Piltdown Man Guest |
Since you seek God's answers, I cannot type anything knowing whether God would agree with me.
They are scripture based answers though. Do you want me to tell you where they are quoted from in the bible? Someone calls Jesus good, and Jesus says there is only one who is good and that is God. As for evil isn't it the Gospel of John (I think), at the beginning where he says there is no darkness in God. So, if there is only one who is good I guess he is the only one who can make us acceptable to God (the only good one) any way you cut it. That IS logical Crash. So when we sin we do evil to God (the only good one) - therefore Jesus came, from God/of God - to put away our sin from God. When you say bad things happen to good people, well now you know the answer. No single one is complete light like God is. Even if I agree with you and think 'people are good' Jesus said only one is good - God. So that is Christ's answer, since he is the Son of God I am not going to argue with it.
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Rei Member (Idle past 7043 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
quote: Ah. So, is it a good thing to endorse the rape of people and the killing of infants by your chosen people because they are from a pagan culture? ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Piltdown Man Guest |
I'm confused, I didn't say I endorse sin. I am saying bad things happen to people - to put it in simple terms. Whereas Crash is saying ' bad things happen to good people'. I am NOT saying do bad things to people, - I am saying only God is good.
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Rei Member (Idle past 7043 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
But I am saying that if you read the old testament, God is distinctly *not* good. In fact, he's downright malevolent in places, killing hundreds for the sins of one, deliberately deceiving people so that he can punish them, ordering the slaying of innocent children and rape of young girls, and all sorts of other atrocities.
Have you read the old testament? ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Piltdown Man Guest |
Ofcourse this is obviously your opinion of God (the only good one) and you are saying he is what you (person) think is bad. Or doing things you would call bad. However I do not come across atrocities when I read it, so our opinions of it will differ. I agree with Jesus and think God is the only good one. What happened in the OT is not what we are discussing, as I will definately read it positively and you negatively. - It would be another topic, and I AGREE with Jesus concerning God and the OT.
God is distinctly *not* good. If no person is good, like I said, how can you (person) possibily judge God in whom there is no darkness.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2333 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
In fact, in the OT god himself says that HE creates evil. It is also mentioned numerous times in the OT that god brought evil to various people.
------------------Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato
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Piltdown Man Guest |
Ofcourse if God is the only 'good one' there is no need for any judgement by any persons of his actions as he is the only good one. Your missing the logic which I'm trying to show. No person can say ' oh but he done this that and the other' - I don't recall the Bible who's logic this logic is based on saying that any persons will judge God as good or bad, or that God will be judged at the judgment of the Son of man. So, who really is boss? - who's judgements will be futile ? - come on, I'm confident you can grasp this.
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