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Message 11 of 18 (489526)
11-27-2008 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by johnfolton
11-27-2008 11:25 PM


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If you take the atheism out of evolution you have creation science. right?
Wrong. There is no atheism in evolution. If you think there is, please find one scientific paper on evolution that talks about atheism.
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Since atheism by the courts has been determined to be a religion its tenents [sic] should be excised from the theory of evolution as its presently being taught in the classrooms. right?
Wrong. Evolution as it's presently being taught in the classroom has nothing to do with atheism. If you think it is, please find one textbook on evolution that talks about atheism.
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Otherwise the atheism in evolution is violating the seperation [sic] of church and state.
Wrong. Even assuming that atheism is a religion, the mere fact that evolution is consistent with one part of atheism doesn't mean that teaching evolution amounts to an establishment of religion. The law recognizes the religious institution of marriage, but that doesn't amount to an establishment of religion. Theft is illegal and it's prohibited by the ten commandments. That doesn't mean that criminalizing theft amounts to an establishment of religion.
Your ignorance about science is dwarfed when compared to your ignorance about the law.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 12 of 18 (489527)
11-27-2008 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by bluescat48
11-27-2008 11:44 PM


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I don't care if the supreme court declares Atheism as a religion since there is no Atheistic dogma. We don't have a book of myths, or a bunch of archaic rituals, only the lack in belief of any deity.
Actually, it wouldn't bother me if courts recognized atheism as a religion for certain purposes under the law. While it may be true that you don't recognize any atheistic dogma, there's nothing inherently inconsistent with someone else having one. Of course, the mere fact that a court recognizes atheism as a religion for one particular purpose, or under one particular set of circumstances, that doesn't mean that it's equivalent to all other religions for all other purposes.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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subbie
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Message 14 of 18 (489530)
11-28-2008 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by johnfolton
11-28-2008 12:56 AM


Despite your clever attempt at subterfuge, after thorough analysis of your statement, I note that you refused to respond to my request for evidence supporting your claim that atheism is part of evolution, or part of how evolution is taught. I am quite confident, based on my knowledge of the matter, that there is no such evidence, thus your claim is unsupportable. If you again reply in this thread without providing such evidence, I shall take that as your concession that no such evidence exists and your claim is unsupportable.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Message 16 of 18 (489532)
11-28-2008 1:11 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Coyote
11-28-2008 1:03 AM


Atheism is a religion? Yes! (Sometimes, anyway)
Several courts have in fact ruled that, for various purposes and under various circumstances, atheism can be considered a religion under the First Amendment. The Wisconsin case that johnfolton alludes to, and several cases cited by that opinion.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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