Global Warming/Strange Weather Patterns

I just finished reading the thread in detail, since this has been a very interesting subject to me for a number of years. When I first come her about two years ago, I did a thread on the Bible and changing climate relative to global warming.Interestingly, my debate position on this goes against many of my fellow creationists and against my political conservatism fellows and with mainline science for two reasons.1. Being 70 this year, I've witnessed a year by year increase in cloudiness and varied storm patterns, both in my home state, Wyoming and here in the East. There has been dramatic change, believe me. CF's graph spike certainly says something as to what I've witnessed relative to climate change.2. Reason 2 is that I've followed the Biblical prophecies since a kid and much, I say much is prophesied about weather relative to "latter day" events and the 2nd advent of Jesus, including very extreme drout to the extent that much evaporation will likely occur, cloudiness, burning up of a large proportion of trees and grass, poluting of the waters, et al. Jesus is prophesied to come "with clouds." The sun and moon are to be dimned by one third, rendering the moon as blood red.Now's where I likely get in trouble with all of you people. Imo, as I put all the prophecies together I see what many creationists believe about pre flood, i.e canopy terrarium cloud cover enveloping the entire planet so as to cause the super climate indicated pre flood to return to earth after Jesus returns. Millenial kingdom prophecies inply this super climate as "the plowman overtakes the reaper", et al. Some very harsh weather stuff will, as prophesied, ensue upon the planet, effecting extreme evaporization which will in turn trigger massive earthquakes to the extent that "few men will be left on earth." The oceans will become small and relatively shallow, the valleys rising and the mountains and islands leveling, as both OT prophets and NT prophets including John the revelator prophesies. As a massive amount of water is evaporated the relatively thin ocean plates will break up and rise and the plates under the mountain ranges will shift/sink, shaking the mountains with somewhat of a leveling effect.Revelation prophesies in Revelation 11 a three and a half year period of very extreme God induced drout upon the planet.As with the numerous other fulfilled prophecies, these things are going to come to pass, not necessarily in all the details I have hypothesised relative to the texts, but in the severity as described by the prophets. The good part is that the planet will be saved and a new age of a wonderful world here on earth will come to be with king Jesus running administrating it all. GLOBAL WARMING IS COMING BIGTIME ON PLANET EARTH. Revelation 16, the fourth wrath vial is poured out and men become scorched with heat, i.e, oppressed with extreme hot weather, but not fatal to all.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

What we have in the tropics is not the same. They are not under constant cloud cover protected from direct sun rays. Having never experienced such a phenomena, there's a lot of unknowns as to specifics. I tend to think there's some credence to the ice cap thing. There's also the possibility of an orbit adjustment due to the "mountain" falling into the ocean, wiping out a third of the ships of that ocean or some other factor. (see Revelation 8:8-10) A third of the creatures in the sea die and a third of it becomes blood red, indicative possibly of some kind of polution algae or something. As to the effect the efforts to reverse the trends, I'm doubtful much will be effected. My son was in China adopting a child and he said the smog there is nearly unbearable in the cities. Little is being done by some of these nations who seem to be exempt from compliance standards.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-01-2005 23:17 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Hi Moose. I've just finished reading the Moyers discourse. I don't want to get myself involved in more than I can deal with, but I'll read the thread and go from there. I can see where Moyers gets applause from the secularists. I'll see what I can do to counter some of it.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

There's so many factors to consider, like what effect the heated up earth has on the atmosphere. I'm thinking of the electrical magnetic factor as well as the thermal effect, heat tending to raise the atmosphere with it's thermosphere much higher and the density of the atmosphere likely less dense and gravity countering some of that. Then factoring into all this, more humidity in the atmosphere as evaporation ensues, something would need to keep it up there and from condensing. The heat may do that, making the humid mass less dense as it all rises to greater heights and less dense. Does that make sense?How that all affects the human body, would likely be quite a complicated science. A couple of the OT prophets prophesy that people will be very young at a hundred years and will live long like trees. Let me read the Moyer's thread that Moose alluded to so as to determine whether addressing this would be more for this or for that thread and I'll get back to you either tonight or asap. There's a lot to be said about how it might all work out, and that relatively suddenly, expedited by a global warming spike on the graph. Yah, and that goes to show, the pollution from these large industrial smog pots may dwarf the adverse effect Biblicalists and the Bush conservatives are having as per Bill Moyers on the ecology.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-02-2005 23:17 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

The factors of such a condition are legion, such as:1. The make up of such and atmosphere relative to the elements in it, like carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, et al.
2. The ecology of such a system relative to the quality of the plant nutrient, the considerable increase of vegetation, the tremendous amount of land mass vs oceans and the effect all that would have on life. For example the plants would be gobbling up the co2 and producing massive quantities of oxygen, et al.
3. According to Revelation 16 (toward the end of the chapter) the cities will all be leveled for something new. Isaiah 65:17-25 says a lot about this new age when people will live long again, all things will be at peace like the lamb lying down with the lion, renewed heavens/earth, etc.I read the Moyers thread and a lot of that was political, so maybe this is the best place for this stuff.Revelation 11 prophesies about two prophets of God who receive a lot of power over the weather. These, it states have the power to cause it not to rain on the earth for 3 1/2 years. It does not say precisely to what extent they exercise this power, but it does imply that they will use it very extensively world wide to the point that all nations and tongues of the world hate these guys very much. The beast, i.e. metaphoric word for antichrist or antichrist operative/system will cause these two prophets to be killed in what appears to be Jerusalem. The prophet John then makes a very interesting statement, that the whole world will view/see the bodies of these two for 3 1/2 days and will rejoice greatly at their deaths. After 3 1/2 days they are, in view of the world caught up into heaven. (Interesting prophecy of the technology of tv here, which imo, adds to the credence of the prophecy.) So if you have all this evaporation and no rain factored in with global warming, it would seem to me that the oceans and other waters are going to become stagnant, low and the sky is going to be come hazy cloudy. It also implies an unusually calm and windless atmosphere with very weak jet streams, et al. Such a phenomenon could, imo, change the world relatively suddenly. I believe the younger folks here and possibly some of the middle age ones will live to see this the way things are escalating politically in the Mid East, weather patterns, wars, et al. We'll see. Yah, lots of folks have made preditions in the past, but there was no Israel regathered when they made them and this is one thing that MUST happen before you even look for the end time events to emerge.Gotta get up early in the AM and get some sleep. Take care.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

CF, you're not talking to a scientist here. It's futile for me to guesstimate how this and that would work out. i've provided the some stuff that comes to mind which I think would be factors in a super climate. That's about all I can do, unless you think of something specific we can discuss. May some of the more apprised on this stuff have something to contribute. We have terrariums which have boxes or enclusures to contain the system. This is not an accurate model for an earth system which has no enclosure, imo.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-04-2005 19:38 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

As per topic, the Biblical prophecies on global warming implicate oppressive heat, drout and disastrous consuming fires as a pre-requisite to the super climate which it is prophesied to bring about.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Off topic, but two other texts that come to mind, prophesy this latter day phenomenon. Revelation 1:7 and 18:19This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-06-2005 18:26 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw