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contracycle
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Message 24 of 77 (188055)
02-24-2005 8:01 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by custard
02-24-2005 2:48 AM


Re: clear as mud
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Yeah? Which colored line were you referring to? There is nothing 'clear' about that graph; it resembles a kindergartner's art project.
Wow, look at this incisive methdological criticism, we're all shaken to our boots.
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Argument from authority fallacy? Please.
Nonsense; do you go to an auto-mechanic for heart surgery? There is no appeal to AUTHORITY here, only disciplinary competence.
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If anyone (Gary, etc), wants to particpate in an actual exchange of ideas and information I'm up for it.
Bullshit.
PS: Crash, yes, the Kyoto protocol is based on serious, peer reviewed science and - let us recall - is an OPTIMISTIC assesment.

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contracycle
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Message 25 of 77 (188057)
02-24-2005 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by custard
02-24-2005 2:58 AM


Re: The "Toasty Earth" wager
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If you could show that inhibiting the number of allowable emissions per country would not have a negative affect on the US economy or industry, then I would wholeheartedly agree.
So in other words, you would rather die than give up a luxury today.
OK, I can take that on board. But why should I be held to ransom by your selfish stupidity?
And, the expectation that the greatest polluter should go first, and do the most, is hardly bizarre. All you are being asked to do is clean up your own mess.
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What I do object to, however, is that the current environmental dogma being served up is based on a paucity of data. From what I have read, the threat of global warming seems much less imminent or detrimental than we are lead to believe.
Look this is complete nonsense. The fact that the US republicans choose to harp this nonsense does not improve its quality. Are you reading the reserach itself? No, you only appear to red "debunkings" of the reaearch. The ill-informed opinions of a handful of political agitators are as nothing in the face of the mountain of consensus across the globe that this is a real problem. In fact, THE MOST important problem we face.
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Well an increase of 0.6, and depending on your source the range could be as low as 0.3, degrees over 120 years on a planet that is 4.5 billion years old seems to be very little to get worked up about.
Thats... I struggle for an appropriate term. The current thinking I have read is that a 2 degree rise will be disastrous, and that we are well on course for that 2 degree rise. So the 0.6 you cavalierly and ignorantly dismiss is nearly a third of that margin. Thats significant; extremely significant.
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and I have to question the conclusions drawn by global warming theorists.
Why don;t you question their models instead of their conclusions. You are just rejecting the conclusions out of hand; you are seeing no evil.

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contracycle
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Message 67 of 77 (190571)
03-08-2005 5:41 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by TheLiteralist
03-07-2005 4:21 AM


Re: Earth Loses More Heat than it Gains?
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The reason I asked is because I wonder is it possible that the energy from the sun plus the internally generated energy less the energy radiated to space actually result in a small net gain in energy
As I understand it, the only non-stellar body in the solar system to generate its own heat is Jupiter, which is about 30 degrees hotter than it would be due to infalling radiation.
Yes there are figures for the earths energy radiation into space, although I can't quote any, only report seeing them.
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contracycle
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Message 69 of 77 (190724)
03-09-2005 4:47 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by TheLiteralist
03-09-2005 4:44 AM


Re: Earth Loses More Heat than it Gains?
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Well, actually each of the planets are generating energy of their own because each rotate and revolve, such motions will necessarily generate energy.
No, heat is generated by gravitational stresses, and these extract energy from the bodies orbital motion.
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However, I do fuzzily recall that Jupiter has some stellar-like energy generating mechanism (which is what you mean, I presume).
Yes, Jupiter is thought to be massive enough have initiated fusion in its core, and can sometimes be described as a sub-brown dwarf.
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All this I think you knew. However, I am now confused. JonF seems to indicate in Re: Losing Heat (Message 75 of Thread A science question) that we can't determine what temperature earth SHOULD be. Maybe he's right, but I wonder, then, how can determine what temperature JUPITER should be???
I think JonF is mistaken in this regard - I'm under the impression the earths energy budget has been much studied over the last 50 years.

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