About prop 8 and other anti gay rights props

How about just a government that operates on the principles of human equality?How about a government that operates freely without religious prejudice?Now, what do they call that type of government again...? Oh yeah, non-existant. lol

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

No, I believe that exclusion on the basis of sexual preference is an issue of human equality, or rather human inequality. Doesn't matter, are any of those people gay? How would those people be affected? Frankly, those people can go fuck off, what business is it of theirs? I have no problem personally with polygamy. I could careless what that particular sect of the Mormon faith does. Why should anyone else care? However, if you can present evidence where harm has been done because of polygamy, then of course I'd side with the evidence. How was this the correct answer? lolIt is a matter of inequality. It is exclusion by one group of people towards another group of people, that makes it a human rights issue. If one group has a particular right, then another group living within the same society, abiding by the same laws and standards as all others within the society do, should have equal rights.The fact that one group would exclude the other group on the basis of sexual preference makes it a violation of those rights that should be awarded to all those within that society.Unless you feel that gays should be excluded from our society as well...?

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

What does it matter what you personally support? There is no "give" in this matter, it is not something that can be given and/or taken away, it is a human right. Unless you feel gays are not human...? Nothing is wrong with you having an opinion. The question is though, do you feel that your personal opinion should affect someone elses love life? I mean, we are still talking about human beings living normally within our society, right? Why should the opinion of one person affect the life of another person? It's just an opinion, right? Why do you feel the need to approve or not approve...?Wouldn't not giving a shit either way be the best position to take since you are not gay nor are seeking to marry a gay person...?I mean really, why do you even care...? Why would you care who gets married...?How does it affect you...? I think what it honestly comes down to is why do heterosexuals care if gay people want to get married? What personal issues do heterosexuals have that is causing them to care about what homosexuals are doing? How 'bout if straight people just stay out of gay peoples business?If no one gave a shit there would be no issue. But, the question is, why do people care...? And why is anyone listening to these people...? Why are human rights issues being voted on...?This is what I don't understand about your entire arguement. Why on Earth would you care what gay people are doing...?

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

...Again, why do you even care...? They're people just like everyone else on the planet, their particular sexual orientation is irrelevant.When did marraige become a heterosexual thing? Its a union between two people who are in love--black/white, jew/christian, atheist/muslim, male/male, male/female, female/female--they're all humans showing their love for one another, why do you feel like you should have an opinion about this? How are they being different from heterosexuals...? Because their parts fit differently...? Is that how petty you want to go...? Whats wrong with it is that they DON'T want to be treated differently, you are the one claiming that they do. It is a childish stance that you have taken. I think "homos" want to be human and have the same rights that all humans have...can you agree with that?

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

Oh come on, you know those decisions are bullshit, right? They'll be overturned soon enough. Would that be it then? When they decide to change their minds you'll follow and never bitch about it again? How about your reason for caring?

What I am saying is that human rights are not up for voting, neither yours or anyone elses, regardless of sexual orientation. That makes the decision from the SCOTUS bogus. It was a decision that excluded a minority from taking part in a social process, and why, because they put their parts in different places then others of the same society. It doesn't make sense why anyone actually gives a shit about gay peoples lives if they are not gay. So, again, you feel that the current exclusion of a minority from a social process is OK as long as the SCOTUS says so? But, if they change their minds you'll flip yours too? Wow, what a good boy... How 'bout the law has no business inside anyones body? In fact wouldn't it be best not to classify based on gender but just on the fact that one is human? That way its two humans getting married; who cares whether it's male or female?That is why I continue to ask, Why do you care so much...?Do you have personal stock in this decision...?How would it affect your life...?Is it just semantics that you argue for...?Whats the point of your argument...?

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

But, my Fosdick friend, I do get it. I get what you're trying to convey as your opinion. No optimism needed, I assure you that you're PoV on the matter is quite well understood by me. Yup, I got it. But, again I'll ask, Why?Can you give me a reason for this being your opinion. I have given you my reasons why I don't agree with you, can you give me a good reason to hold this opinion.You don't believe in God so I don't attribute it to a religious stand point, so, what it is then? Well, morality is a tenative thing so lets not make it a moral issue, unless we equate inequality as immoral. But, lets stay off that so as not to draw into an argument over whos moral compass is better.The issue is about inequality. Opinions that cause one side to be excluded from something, like blacks going to white schools or gays being included in normal marital rights, are opinions that we should not value and should reject them. Now it is you who has missed the point. Being a polite poster I will try again to explain.I don't want peoples opinions to change, whether it is 80% of the poulation or 10%. My point is not that the majority has to change their opinion, my point is that no one group of people should be excluded from a social process simply because of a majority opinion.As it has been brought up before by other posters, segregation was the majority opinion. Was it wrong? Yes. But the majority didn't think so. What changed? Their opinion, or the law? Again, why? Who gives a shit. You're not religious so what is it about marraige that you feel is only for two specific kind of human being?Would two men or women getting married violate the integrity of marriage? Is that the reason?Im only asking because you seem like a very logical person, and as a comic I can admit you are quite funny too, but, where is your logic in this particular issue? Why do you hold to such an opinion when the reversal of that opinion would not affect your life in anyway? This seems like a petty argument on your behalf, it is just semantics.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

I did a gig where the enitre audience thought this exact same way."Hootmon is that you out there heckling me...?"Funny though, he refered to homo-sexuals as sub-humans, however, when I looked out into that audience the word sub-human seemed like a compliment.I guess fucking your sister is ok as long as you don't abort that fetus!Edited by onifre, : ABE

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies""I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

The video was hilarious!