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dwise1
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Message 79 of 192 (489774)
11-29-2008 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by bluescat48
11-29-2008 9:17 PM


Re: Minority opinion rules?
Check with your local Unitarian-Universalist church.

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Message 82 of 192 (489783)
11-30-2008 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by bluescat48
11-29-2008 10:24 PM


Re: Minority opinion rules?
That's OK. Nobody ever expects the UUs!
However, your point would still stand in that couples seeking marriage would be at the whim and mercy of the local churches. For example, while on internal exile (ie, on active duty in North Dakota) we rented a house in a town of 888 people. The agent managing the house told us that the town had two churches, so we had our choice of either Lutheran or Lutheran. His own wife, a Catholic, had to go the next town 13 miles away. I just checked and found a UU church 40 miles away in Grand Forks.
Point is that being one of the very few different ones in an isolated community leaves one thinking that they are alone and without any support. Dan Barker of the Foundation for Freedom From Religion was raised a fundamentalist and was a fundamentalist minister until he started reading and thinking and started deconverting shortly thereafter. That was in Southern California and he still felt alone and isolated, because he knew practically nobody outside the fundamentalist community which put him through hell. He had to move more than 2000 miles across the country to find others of like mind. I heard a recording of a speech he gave at Atheists United in Los Angeles. As I recall from 20 years ago, his opening line was: "Where were you guys when I needed you?"
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Message 85 of 192 (489811)
11-30-2008 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by Asgara
11-30-2008 2:06 AM


Re: Minority opinion rules?
And yet, I remember one sermon in which the congregration's president raised the question of how far our tolerance can be allowed to go. Could we tolerate some other denomination's intolerance?
But, yes, there is no dogma. I mean, if you don't have to stop and think about it at any time, then what good is it?
I think this comes meanly out of the anti-establishmentarialism 60's subculture days, but the phrase strongly associated with UUs is "To Question is the Answer". And yet that is a very powerful statement about theology, isn't it? If you only accept a dogma without questioning it, without thinking about it, then you really haven't accepted it, since you haven't even thought about it. You have to have thought about your theology, your dogma, in order to really belive it, right?
At the same time, there's an adult RE program that I encountered: "Building Your Own Theology". When I discussed this with a fundamentalist co-worker (who's admittedly a bit more free-thinking than most would dare to be_, he did admit that we do indeed create our own theologies. Let's face it: a fundie will hear his denomination's theology presented to him, but is it really that theology that he adopts? No, it's his own particular misunderstanding of that theology, just as it was his teacher's own personal misunderstanding that formed the basis of that misunderstanding, and so on for countless generations.

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