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Jazzns

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Message 32 of 256 (210579)
05-23-2005 12:56 PM

Petition!

For any who care. It may not matter but it will only take a minute to sign the petition.

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Message 37 of 256 (210656)
05-23-2005 3:23 PM

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05-23-2005 2:02 PM

Re: Petition!

Making it reasonably difficult to put just anyone you want into a permanent position of judicial authority? Who would want that in a free country?! SHEESH!

Here is the link again for those of you who want to sign the petition. Take 1 min to participate in your government.

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Thanks to Tal for showing us all why we need to care!

God Bless,

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Message 67 of 256 (211193)
05-25-2005 3:18 PM

Reply to: Message 57 by EZscience
05-25-2005 12:13 PM

Re: Blatant misrepresentation of Democratic ideals

First of all, it is the Republicans NOT the Democrats, who are continously eroding our 'freedoms'. Democrats are not trying to 'eliminate religious freedoms', just ensure that your psychotic theo-crats don't step on the freedoms of others as they pander to all their bible-thumping supporters.

As a Dem I can honestly say that this is not exactly true. Often the cases of overextension of the Establishment Clause come from the extreme left and they are known for their pandering to Hollywood to restrict digital rights. I hate the Dem's policy on digital media, DRM, etc. It is straight up unconstitutional. That is why we need sensibility in the government. Right now that seems to be more leaning left but the left is by no means blameless.

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Message 68 of 256 (211196)
05-25-2005 3:24 PM

Reply to: Message 59 by Tal
05-25-2005 1:27 PM

Rights lost since 9/11

That would be Ammendment IV and Ammendment V of the Bill of Rights. By definition.

You can now be searched and seized without jurisdiction.
You can now be held without trial.

Care to contest?

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Message 77 of 256 (211217)
05-25-2005 4:07 PM

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05-25-2005 3:46 PM

Re: Rights lost since 9/11

That is not the point. The point is that I have lost my Constitutional protections therof.

Wouldn't you be angry if they passed a law saying that Christianity is illegal? What if you never got arrested for being Christian would that law be okay then?

Are you saying that just because we are never personally affected by legislation that Constitutionality does not matter?

Laws are wrong based upon their principle not who they do and do not affect. Jim Crow laws were wrong the moment they were brought into existance, not the moment they started to infringe on the rights of African Americans.

Why do you feel a law only becomes unconstitutional the moment it is unsed in an an unconstitutional way?

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