COVID vaccine works - we're saved!

Kleinman:

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We are already seeing signs of food production disruption, you can see it in your grocery bill. Must you see empty food shelves before you realize that food production is being disrupted?

Percy:

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But covid shutdown rules only affected places where people congregate, not food production farms or facilities. How are covid policies interfering with food production? The biggest factors I see behind increasing food prices are droughts out west, supply chain problems, labor shortages, energy prices and the Ukraine war.

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Kleinman:

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So what? Are you claiming that physicians and healthcare personnel are contracting influenza at a higher incidence then the general population?

Percy:

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By "these people" I guess you meant physicians, not the people seeing physicians. I have no idea of physician incidence rates, but aren't people in the medical field more likely than most to get the annual influenza vaccine? If that's the case then their influenza rate could well be lower than the general population, though you also have to take into account their likely higher exposure rate, so I don't know how those two effects would balance out.

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Kleinman in Message 670:

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There is not a wave of disease hitting these people despite their close contact with people with infectious diseases.

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Kleinman:

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Who here understands the mathematical behavior of descent with modification and adaptation? Taq understood that I did the math correctly for asexual replications but claimed that recombination causes a significant difference in the process. He uses a constant environment single selection pressure environment to argue his point. He refused to acknowledge what happens in a multiple-selection pressure environment.
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With regards to cancer treatment failure, it is targeted cancer therapies. Single-drug targeted cancer therapy faces the same problem that single-drug antimicrobial therapy faces. If the target site mutates such that the agent that is being used cannot bind (react correctly) with that site, that variant cell will have some resistance to that agent. The problem that oncologists face is finding alternate targets that the normal host cells don't have. This is a much more difficult task since cancer cells are variants of normal host cells. That is not the case when looking for targets in microbes.

Percy:

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Sure, but how does that tie in to HIV and all those questions you asked regarding locking up contagious people, which is where you started. I thought your evolution/cancer points would tie back to that somehow. Did you change subjects?

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Kleinman:

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But I think your claim that shutting down one part of the economy has no effect on another part of the economy is not correct.

Percy:

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Your claim that I claimed that is incorrect. Sure, everything's interconnected, but covid shutdowns are not one of the significant contributors to increased food costs. Drought, labor shortages, supply chain issues and the Ukraine war are the significant contributors, just as I said.

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Kleinman:

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You posted my quote. Where did I write "these people"?

Percy:

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From your Message 670:

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Kleinman in Message 670:

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There is not a wave of disease hitting these people despite their close contact with people with infectious diseases.

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But as I said, I see now that you meant physicians when you said "these people."

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Theodoric:

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Have you no idea how the practice of medicine works? Primary care docs don't have e time to bother with that. The specialists and researchers figure it out and give them the tools. Infectious disease specialists deal with infectious diseases. Damn, you must be a really shitty doc.

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Theodoric:

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He goes from subject to subject randomly claiming gotchas.

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Kleinman:

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The inability of HIV to evolve efficiently to 3-drug therapy should be a lesson to people that think that reptiles evolve into birds and fish evolve into mammals.
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And I only advocate that biologists and atheists be locked up. I look forward to your response to this.
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Percy:

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This is a Coffee House thread on Covid. Your Rebuttal To Creationists - "Since We Can't Directly Observe Evolution..." thread over in the Biological Evolution forum where you last discussed this topic is probably more appropriate. It's still open. Or you could propose a new thread.

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